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PostSubject: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   26th June 2011, 8:56 pm

So there is this one theory on tumblr, I think it may have originally come from Sailormoonsecrets, but basically it states the reason Venus' and Ceres' hair are the same color as their respective princesses is so they can replace them if anything were to happen.

Well, Miss Katy over here had an ask about it with the ask saying it was BS because Venus and Ceres would be unable to use the crystal. So that got me thinking that that may not necessarily be true either.

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On the theory of Venus and Ceres taking the pricesses' places. Well, there's a couple examples that could at least prove Venus to be true. Not enough is shown of Ceres. These are strictly from the manga, btw.

Example 1: Venus is a decoy princess and is able to convince everyone that she's the princess, even Luna (granted not all her memories were back).

Example 2: Venus is able to pull out the sword made ENTIRELY of the Ginzuishou (correct me if I'm wrong, but thats what i gathered from reading the manga) after all the others weren't able to.

She might not be able to use the actual Maboroshi no Ginzuishou, BUT Venus could certainly take the place of the Princess if needed. Now this doesn't necessarily mean her hair color has anything to do with it. Cause originally Naoko had Serenity with white/silver hair. She always had Minako as a blonde, back when she was doing Sailor V.


Well, I think I'm wrong about the sword being made of the Ginzuishou cause I can't find where its mentioned in the manga while reading the Miss Dream translation. I wonder if it was a mistranslation in the Mixx version cause I seem to remember it was made up of a bit of the Ginzuishou. And I woudn't be surprised if Mixx effed that up too.

Anyway, Venus hair was always blonde, even before Naoko started workign on Sailor Moon, so I don't think Naoko created Venus with the intention of her being a "replacement" for the Princess. I think it was something she was able to write in later once she finally decided on Usagi's hair color, which changed a few times in early drawings of her.

But this is where we can debate this topic and I've kind of touched some arguments and ideas on it.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   26th June 2011, 9:51 pm

I think it was actually seen on the Dumpling Head Cannon blog, at least that is where I saw it.

Personally, I do find it odd that BOTH head Guardians of Sailor Moon and Sailor Mini Moon have the same hair colors as their princesses.

I can see the argument about Sailor Venus already having blonde hair when Naoko made Sailor Moon, but there was no reason to have Venus pretend to be the princess, or a reason for Chibi Usa's head Guardian to have the same color either..

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   27th June 2011, 11:09 am

I agree that Minako could replace Serenity. That much is in the manga. But I doubt she could use the Ginzuishou. If Minako CAN use the Ginzuishou, she will not be able to draw out its full potential, maybe not even much at all. After all, the Ginzuishou is synched, heart and mind, with Usagi.

But maybe they are talking impersonation, not replacing entirely. The ability to impersonate the princess they are protecting would be a VERY useful skill. The “impersonation” theory works very well, but the words “take the place of” can have different theories. “Replacing ENTIRELY” really makes no sense at all.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   27th June 2011, 9:47 pm

Yeah, I think I can agree with that. I wish I could find where it states in the manga that the sword is made of Ginzuishou. Because if it is, and Venus was able to pull it out, wouldn't that mean she would be able to use it to some extent? Well maybe in that original state. Once Usagi comes into full control of the crystal, no one would be able to use it besides Chibi-Usa.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   30th June 2011, 3:34 pm

I remember the sword being made of Ginzuishou, so you're not crazy xD I only read the Mixx version though. I agree with Cosmos here- I don't think Venus was ever meant to take Usagi/Serenity's place permanently- just for emergencies and whatnot, like that short time in the Dark Kingdom arc, or that one episode of S. But I do think that the similarities between the two are on purpose c: (Though really, if you want to get into the nitty gritty of it, Usagi is actually Minako's replacement)

Where exactly does it say that Ceres is Chibiusa's lead Guardian? I always thought it was Vesta, but now that I think of it she was only the leader in the anime.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   30th June 2011, 9:26 pm

I also just want to point out a small idea of mine... that we don't actually KNOW what happens if one of the Moon princesses die... if perhaps things don't adapt, aka the silver crystal find a new owner, or the Venus Crystal takes it's place..

There is nothing to back this up just my ramblings..

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   30th June 2011, 9:34 pm

Hm, if they were to die, wouldn't their Starseed go to the cauldron and be reborn eventually?

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   30th June 2011, 10:07 pm

Yes eventually, but what happens to the people left behind? We only ever see Sailor Moon Surviving. ^^

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   30th June 2011, 10:21 pm

Well all the sailor soldiers have the starseeds that get reborn, from what I understand. That is how she is able to bring everyone back at the end of Stars (both anime and manga too). But if its not a Sailor Senshi starseed, then i don't think they can be reborn, but I am not too sure about that.

At the end of the manga, it is unclear if the cats survive, along with Ikuko mama and Kenji papa, and so on. I would imagine that Luna and Artemis must survive because they are there in Crystal Tokyo and have diana. But not much is mentioned about Usagi's parents or many of the non-senshi characters.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   30th June 2011, 10:59 pm

I think it's mostly for deception. In one of the episodes of the anime, an evil creature [so many names for these monsters! youma, cardian, shintennou, etc etc] attacked minako, thinking she was sailor moon [due to a strand of sailor moon's hair attaching itself to her but still]. that and in the manga, sailor venus appears to them with a crescent mark on her forehead, and even artemis admits that it's for decoy purposes itself.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   30th June 2011, 11:04 pm

Oh yeah! that episode is from the 1st season right after Tuxedo mask is taken away to the dark kingdom. Usagi is depressed so Minako offers a day at the hair salon to make her feel better. I need to look up an episode list so i could name it for you. XD

Also in S, Sailor Venus disguises herself as Sailor Moon to prevent Kaorinight from finding out Sailor Moon's identity.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   1st July 2011, 8:15 am

Lady Galaxia wrote:
Yes eventually, but what happens to the people left behind? We only ever see Sailor Moon Surviving. ^^

Clearly these people were also reborn on Earth, which is why we've had such a population increase. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   1st July 2011, 9:54 am

Noooo, :p I mean, say it's season 2 of Sailor Moon, and Let's say something ONLY happens to Usagi and she dies, not any of the other Sailor Scouts. Yes, eventually Usagi will be reborn, but there are still surviving Senshi left, aka Venus.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   1st July 2011, 10:40 am

If there was no other option, I'm guessing that somebody would have to step in until if and when Moon returned. Most likely this would be Venus, for all of the reasons people have stated and because she is the leader of the Guardian Senshi.

About Ceres being the leader; it's never OFFICIALLY stated anywhere, but there are a few tidbits here and there that point to her being the leader. First, she's Sailor Venus's counterpart, which I know doesn't mean anything in and of itself, but still. Ceres is stated to be the eldest of the Quartet. Also, in the manga, she always introduces herself first and she has the most speaking parts.

Those are just all of the reasons I've noticed that cause fans to believe her leadership.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   1st July 2011, 10:57 am

Do you know how silly this all sounds if you talk about it logically?

"Well, to hell with Joe Biden. If Obama dies, I'm next in line cause I've got the same hair color."

And besides that, where does it state that she's the leader of the Guardian Senshi (bear with me that I'm not done with the Manga yet!) I mean, based on the Anime personalities (which I know is drastically different in some cases) I would think the girls would be fine policing themselves without an elected leader, but I could see Rei or Makoto becoming leader long before Minako (again, anime personalities).
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   1st July 2011, 11:03 am

It will later be established on in the manga ^^


And it's not that she GETS to take the place because of her hair, it's more a matter of do the leaders of each group have hair colors that will make it easier to impersonate their princess should they need to.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   1st July 2011, 12:07 pm

Yeah, once you get futher in the manga, it is more explained. And especially if you read the Sailor V manga!! It ties in VERY nicely at the end with Sailor Moon (cause towards the end was when Naoko started working on Sailor Moon).

But I think the haircolor was probably just a coincidence, not intended initially by Naoko. Venus's hair was always blonde, while in early artworks Moon's hair color constantly changed while she was deciding on designs. It went from white to silver to blonde a few times before I think she settled on blonde for Moon and white for Serenity.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   6th July 2011, 7:50 am

Minako and Usagi look alike because Mina was the original main character, (and I guess it is quite known), also, she wanted Sailor Moons hair to be silver, not Usagis..also in Codename: Sailor V Artemis explained that earth and venus are "twin plantes", being that same mass etc. etc. And I guess that because Sailor Moon protects the earth and the Moon is earth`s moon, it makes Usagi and Minako similar and "twins" (though why Mamoru has blackblue hair is a mystery with that theory..lol.)

And it is known that Sailor Venus is the leader from the first arc, when she pulled out that stone sword.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   6th July 2011, 9:04 am

Actually, in Naoko's first designs, Usagi had pink hair. That's right, folks--pink hair. Don't believe me? Well, here's the evidence.



The reason I know this is because I got tired of people saying, "WAI-- Why does Chibiusa have pink hair?! Like whut?!"

Also, I agree with the impersonation theory. I mean, what with the amount of times that Minako was mistaken for Sailor Moon/the Moon Princess/Usagi in both the anime and manga... that, and the fact that the other sailor senshi thought that Sailor V -was- the Moon Princess for quite a while. In a way, she's like a decoy. I mean, Ami, Makoto, Rei--they couldn't really disguise themselves as Moon, now could they? Although, that would be pretty hilarious to see... xD

But, I like to think of this like the "president/vice president" thing in the United States of A. If the president dies/is assassinated/etc., the vice president will become the president. In much the same way, I believe, if Moon died, Venus would take her place--as she's the leader, technically. If Venus died, I supposed that Mars would take her place... and beyond that, I don't really know. xD


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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   6th July 2011, 10:25 am

But Venus IS the leader, she protects the princess with the rest of the senshi. Through the series Sailormoon is barely fighting, she just thrown in some attacks but actually "fight" when the silver crystal is needed. If Sailormoon dies, there`s no other Moon Princesses, and that`s her real job.

and lol I actually forgot about the pink hair..
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   6th July 2011, 11:02 am

I forgot about the pinkish hair! I knew Naoko had not settled on a hair color when she first was designing Usagi's hair color. Venus was blonde from the beginning!

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   6th July 2011, 1:42 pm

There's also this....



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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   29th November 2011, 7:14 pm

I think Usagi's hair; be it pink, silver/white or blonde doesn't matter as Minako's hair is always a different blonde. I actually saw her described as red haired too!

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Is the fact that Sailor Moon and Venus's hair the same color a coindidence?   18th February 2012, 2:16 pm

Revival: The real suspiciousthing about CereCere is that her hair /isn't yellow/

The Amazoness Quartet in my opinion have been designed after the Guardian Senshi..

PallaPalla --> Mercury, blue, both sharing an innocence that the others don't
VesVes --> Mars, red, both a little bit fiery and take action
JunJun --> Jupiter, tough and has a boysih manner of speaking, but shown to be gentle (at least in the anime)

this would leave CereCere --> Venus, they are both girls who would like to think of themselves as fancy elitist who adore being the centre of attention. They both show leadership skills, CereCere, though not stated outright is in all versions of Sailor Moon, the first to introduce herself and usually (not in the anime) has the most dialogue. But their colour schemes are pink and orange respectively... However, CereCere's Amazoness Ball is yellow which connects her to Venus. Mean anything to anyone?

Oh and Usagi was going to be silver, but apparently Naoko and Osa-P thought it would look plain on the coverart... I think the pink idea was scrapped pretty early on.

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