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PostSubject: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   9th December 2011, 1:30 pm

So Sailor Moon seems to have the reputation that it gets ripped off alot right? Usually its with other Mahou Shojo series, but sometimes even non-magical girl series seem to have elements of rip off.

For me I felt in the Fruits Basket manga that Shigure was almost a blatant rip-off of Mamoru...

Does anyone else think that the Fruits Basket Mangaka got inspired by Sailor Moon?

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   10th December 2011, 11:33 am

I've never read Fruits Basket, so I cannot speak directly to the material. Nevertheless, Sailor Moon is incredibly popular, so it is understandable that other series would borrow or even outright take certain aspects of it and adapt those attributes for their purposes.

Could you maybe elaborate for me as to why Shigure is possibly a rip-off of Mamoru?

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   10th December 2011, 11:42 am

I've never read fruit basket wither but I've seen clips from other animes that are strikingly similar like tokyo mew mew and Wedding peach.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   10th December 2011, 12:58 pm

just googled mermaid melody...it just looks like the biggest sailor moon rip off

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   10th December 2011, 1:05 pm

I have read most of fruits basket and seen all of the anime and I never felt like that at all to be honest.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   10th December 2011, 2:07 pm

Mermaid Melody is actually vastly different then Sailor Moon. Like all magical girl anime there are hints of each other within just like any story.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   10th December 2011, 2:23 pm

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just googled mermaid melody...it just looks like the biggest sailor moon rip off

Whoa whoa whoa. Definitely not at all! Yeah, its another Mahou Shoujo, but definitely no rip off. I've watched a good 10 or so episodes in. It's really cute and there's more of a focus on singing as your way of defeating the enemy. All around its just incredibly adorable.


As far as the Fruits Basket comparison, are we thinking of the same Shigure here? Because perhaps looks wise he is similar to Mamoru, but personality wise? Definitely not at all. I've read the entire manga and watched the whole series. Yeah, I don't see any similarities between the two besides their hair style.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   10th December 2011, 6:33 pm

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Lovely Lexi wrote:
just googled mermaid melody...it just looks like the biggest sailor moon rip off

Whoa whoa whoa. Definitely not at all! Yeah, its another Mahou Shoujo, but definitely no rip off. I've watched a good 10 or so episodes in. It's really cute and there's more of a focus on singing as your way of defeating the enemy. All around its just incredibly adorable.


As far as the Fruits Basket comparison, are we thinking of the same Shigure here? Because perhaps looks wise he is similar to Mamoru, but personality wise? Definitely not at all. I've read the entire manga and watched the whole series. Yeah, I don't see any similarities between the two besides their hair style.

I thought Shigure was similar to Mamoru because they both had a dream about the one they loved and they did everything in their power to fulfill that dream, even if it hurt the innocents around them. (This is only reffering to Mamoru in season 1 of course) Plus they're both cold and emotionally distant.

Too bad that dream thing was a huge plot-hole Sad Natsuki Takaya should of at least explained that dream and why it made Shigure fall in love with Akito to that extent when it didn't affect the other boys who had that dream. I always felt though that that whole dream sub-plot thing was inspired by Sailor Moon.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   11th December 2011, 6:00 am

That makes more sense. I don't remember the dream thing, but its been a while since I've read the manga. I was thinking more along the silly, perverted, and irresponsible side of Shigure that most people know from the anime or maybe not having read the entire manga. I remember a lot of the Akito stuff didn't come into play until the very end. Also, I think Shigure is more extreme than Mamoru was when it came to how he expressed his feelings. Shigure was really cold to the point where there were times I really hated him.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   11th December 2011, 1:58 pm

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That makes more sense. I don't remember the dream thing, but its been a while since I've read the manga. I was thinking more along the silly, perverted, and irresponsible side of Shigure that most people know from the anime or maybe not having read the entire manga. I remember a lot of the Akito stuff didn't come into play until the very end. Also, I think Shigure is more extreme than Mamoru was when it came to how he expressed his feelings. Shigure was really cold to the point where there were times I really hated him.

You should re-read volume 3 to get the whole backstory on the dream Smile It's a major plot-hole though because Natsuki Takaya never explains why he felt that way about the dream when the others didn't!
The way he was willing to risk everything for that dream and he fell in love with Akito just because of that dream... Well, no offense but it made me feel that Natsuki Takaya was really ripping off season 1 of Sailor Moon.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   11th December 2011, 3:04 pm

Hey just letting you know that I changed this to a debate as it seems more about expressing opinions rather than theories. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   11th December 2011, 3:54 pm

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Hey just letting you know that I changed this to a debate as it seems more about expressing opinions rather than theories. Wink

Alright, thanks^^ I didn't know what to label it as honestly. Do you have anything to add to this debate?

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   11th December 2011, 4:03 pm

It's all right. It was definitely a tricky one, I had to think for a while myself. Wink

Well I haven't seen Fruits Basket nor have I read the manga. It's definitely on my 'to watch' list as I've heard how good it is.

Because I can't provide an informed opinion all I can suggest is that I know that genre subjects and character looks/personalities always seem to be reused a little if they're desirable or preferred. I mean, I was watching Clannad and realised that Tomoya and Nagisa's father had the exact same hair style but it was just mirrored. I'm not sure what the artist was trying to convey or whether it was just coincidence. And boy, after looking at Shigure I realised how much he looks like Kyouya from Ouran High School Host Club. Same artist?

As for what was mentioned beforehand about the 'dreaming of the lover' that's a very typical romantic genre scene.

I think it's ok for other mangas, books, movies, animes, art, writing etc. to be inspired by older works or influential works just as long as people don't think it's a blatant and unoriginal copy.

Maybe after reading/watching Fruits Basket I can provide a better opinion. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   11th December 2011, 4:28 pm

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It's all right. It was definitely a tricky one, I had to think for a while myself. Wink

Well I haven't seen Fruits Basket nor have I read the manga. It's definitely on my 'to watch' list as I've heard how good it is.

Because I can't provide an informed opinion all I can suggest is that I know that genre subjects and character looks/personalities always seem to be reused a little if they're desirable or preferred. I mean, I was watching Clannad and realised that Tomoya and Nagisa's father had the exact same hair style but it was just mirrored. I'm not sure what the artist was trying to convey or whether it was just coincidence. And boy, after looking at Shigure I realised how much he looks like Kyouya from Ouran High School Host Club. Same artist?

As for what was mentioned beforehand about the 'dreaming of the lover' that's a very typical romantic genre scene.

I think it's ok for other mangas, books, movies, animes, art, writing etc. to be inspired by older works or influential works just as long as people don't think it's a blatant and unoriginal copy.

Maybe after reading/watching Fruits Basket I can provide a better opinion. Smile

Oh no Ouran and Fruits Basket were not made by the same person, but the same studio did both of the anime versions so maybe that's why the designs are similiar.

But anyways, you should definitely read the whole Fruits Basket manga! It's an amazing series and is my favorite Shojo manga of all time! (Well besides Sailor Moon of course lol)

Don't watch the anime though, because the anime is crap and totally ruins the storyline and characters.

As for the whole "Dream" thing... I never knew that that was popular in the romantic genre, I honestly always thought that Sailor Moon was the first one to use it.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   11th December 2011, 5:57 pm

I must agree with the majority and say that I do not feel that these two animes/mangas relate nor is Shigure a rip-off of Mamoru. It is a common trait in manga or anime to have a dream about the one you love and want to do everything in your power to protect or be with that one person.

They are both shoujo but I don't know ... I really do not think that they relate at all. The story lines are so different, as well as the plots and Fruits Basket has a lot of darker undertones driving the story along.


Also, I will be moving this thread to the Other Animes and Mangas forum. The Theories and Debates forum has to do with what occurs within the story of Sailor Moon. The topic that you are proposing focues mainly on Fruits Basket in comparison to Sailor Moon, so I think that it is best suited in the Other Animes and Mangas section. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   11th December 2011, 7:31 pm

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I must agree with the majority and say that I do not feel that these two animes/mangas relate nor is Shigure a rip-off of Mamoru. It is a common trait in manga or anime to have a dream about the one you love and want to do everything in your power to protect or be with that one person.

They are both shoujo but I don't know ... I really do not think that they relate at all. The story lines are so different, as well as the plots and Fruits Basket has a lot of darker undertones driving the story along.


Also, I will be moving this thread to the Other Animes and Mangas forum. The Theories and Debates forum has to do with what occurs within the story of Sailor Moon. The topic that you are proposing focues mainly on Fruits Basket in comparison to Sailor Moon, so I think that it is best suited in the Other Animes and Mangas section. Smile

Ahh, okay that's fine Smile

Anyways, I don't know why but I always viewed that dream that Shigure had as a plot-hole. I mean they never really explained why Shigure felt like that about the dream compared to the other Zodiac boys that had that dream. They all felt fear and sadness about the dream, but Shigure just felt love. Which I found weird because he was basically the same as the others in terms of the curse... It sort of felt like Natsuki Takaya was about to reveal something big about Shigure and that dream but ran out of time and just decided to end it.

I don't know, but I always felt that dream plot-point was inspired by Sailor Moon. I didn't know other animes and mangas had that dream element though... I always thought that Sailor Moon was the one that started it lol.

By the way, since you said that you think Shigure and Mamoru aren't alike at all, do you think you can give some examples on how they're not alike? It would really add to this discussion. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   11th December 2011, 7:41 pm

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By the way, since you said that you think Shigure and Mamoru aren't alike at all, do you think you can give some examples on how they're not alike? It would really add to this discussion. Smile

Hm, I think for me it mainly has to do with Shigure's carefree personality. I know that he is not simply a surface character and that there are many things that lurk beneath his playful persona, but that is a very big issue for me. Mamoru is quiet and serious (I am using mainly the manga version since I am comparing mangas), he does like to tease people or engage in mind games (harmless or serious). Mamoru is very protective of the ones he loves but he is not manipulative nor do I feel that he would ever go that route. Mamoru is also more the academic while Shigure likes to torture his editor by forever being late with his drafts and he has a very lazy way about him when he is lounging around the house. Basically, Shigure is more of the artist while Mamoru is more rigid in his responsibilities. I also feel that Shigure's underlying nature can encompass being crafty and planning out elaborate schemes or intentions, while this is very much unlike Mamoru.


Hm, these are just a few, I suppose? Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   11th December 2011, 10:21 pm

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While I definitely agree with you on the personality front, with Shigure being more outgoing and playful than Mamoru. I disagree with you on the inner character traits. I feel Mamoru could be very manipulative and cold and calculating. He admits himself one time as I recall that he doesn't have as pure a heart as Usagi and Usagi brings out the purity within him. Also remember how calculating he was when he was turned into Evil Endymion in the first season. Don't forget that Mamoru is also very smart like Shigure, Mamoru goes to a very elite school that only the most intelligent can go to, he's on the same level of intelligence as Ami is.

Also, just by analyzing Mamoru's character I feel that he would go to any lengths to get what he wants. Remember how in the first season he was willing to become the Senshi's enemy just so he could get the Ginzuishou, fulfill his dream and find out who he was? He just stopped being like that because he eventually found out about his past as Endymion, but he always struck me as the type of guy who would stop at nothing to fulfill his goal.

That's why I always felt that Shigure was inspired by Mamoru^^

Hm, but it was not Mamoru's willing choice to ever become Endo, that was something that was created from his body. And yes, Mamoru did work against the Senshi when trying to find the Ginzuishou but that was not done out of cold calculated thought. He did not know them and only knew of them as being unknown enemies trying to thwart him from finding the key to his past. After he makes that publicity stunt in the first arc, he is incredibly remorseful of the repercussions his actions brought upon everyone.

I think their internal intentions are just too different from one another. And in context to your original idea in this thread, I do not think that he would have served as inspiration for the character of Shigure.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   11th December 2011, 10:24 pm

See to me, Mamoru only was like that DUE to his past plagueing him so. I don't think he would act like that towards any other goal. Him becoming Tuxedo Mask was at times uncontrollable. He even stated in the manga that he just suddenly found himself robbing jewelry stores in a tuxedo and mask. In the anime, I don't think he even realized he was Tuxedo Mask until almost half way through the season.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   11th December 2011, 10:27 pm

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See to me, Mamoru only was like that DUE to his past plagueing him so. I don't think he would act like that towards any other goal. Him becoming Tuxedo Mask was at times uncontrollable. He even stated in the manga that he just suddenly found himself robbing jewelry stores in a tuxedo and mask. In the anime, I don't think he even realized he was Tuxedo Mask until almost half way through the season.

Yeah true, but remember in the anime once he realizes that he is Tuxedo Mask he says that he'll stop at nothing to get the Rainbow Crystals. Of course you're right, Mamoru was only like that due to his past, but it made me feel Shigure had something similar happen in his past as well that just was never revealed. In one of the volumes Shigure even remarks on how strange he is, on how he never wanted his parents love and felt disconnected from everything.

It almost made it seem like Shigure didn't even know who he was either...

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   11th December 2011, 10:43 pm

I admit, Shigure had a horrible past as well. But really, so many of them did in Fruits Basket. It almost became too much to even read about anymore. >_<

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Were some aspects of the Fruits Basket manga, inspired by Sailor Moon?   11th December 2011, 10:59 pm

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I admit, Shigure had a horrible past as well. But really, so many of them did in Fruits Basket. It almost became too much to even read about anymore. >_<

Ha-Ha true, though honestly we don't know if Shigure had a horrible past or not, that's what makes this so confusing^^

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