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PostSubject: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   27th June 2011, 11:54 pm

Hallo all,

So this past week I have been re-watching the R season after ... ten years? lol. But yes, as I am watching these episodes I feel like I am noticing so much that I never did the first time. One thing that has needled me in particular is the Dark Moon symbol on Neo Queen Serenity's forehead.



Someone on tumblr said that they knew what that marking meant and I felt incredibly stupid about not knowing, as if it were common sense that I was missing out on.

Just for those who do not recognize this cap, I'll give you a bit of a backdrop. It is from episode 83 of the R season. Sailor Moon and her companions have arrived in 30th c. Crystal Tokyo and King Endymion is explaining what caused the destruction of the Earth. He states that these mysterious beings came from the planet Nemesis and that he and other soldiers fought against them. During the above screencap he states that they "suppressed those evil beings."

So what does that image of Neo Queen Serenity mean? Was she a fake made to trick the people? I am quite sure that she was not brainwashed at all. Who is she?


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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   28th June 2011, 12:10 am

You know. i still haven't finished rewatching R but i've seen this before. I need to finish watching R so i can see it in context again. I hope someone else has an answer cause i've been confused about this too.

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   28th June 2011, 5:37 pm

That's my post, isn't it?!

Oh, it is! That's the exact screencap I took. Very Happy

Anyway, I don't think its a big deal. Toei makes animation errors dozens of times every season.

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   28th June 2011, 6:14 pm

Hee, that's actually my screencap. lol. I think it's so funny that I am meeting all these tumblr people I never knew! lol.

Ah, but you think it is an animation error too? I don't think so. Or at least, that's too frustrating an answer. lol. It seems like too obvious a mistake for the animators not to realize it. -_-

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   28th June 2011, 8:55 pm

Well there have been times where they left out pieces of the Senshi's outfits or cut of body parts, etc. Thats why i wouldn't be surprised if it were a mistake.

It would be nice if it maybe had some deeper meaning, but its never really been a big topic of discussion before and I figure the anime would have maybe addressed it too.

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   28th June 2011, 9:16 pm

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Well there have been times where they left out pieces of the Senshi's outfits or cut of body parts, etc. Thats why i wouldn't be surprised if it were a mistake.

I demande proof of this.
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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   28th June 2011, 9:17 pm

um. if i come across some of the pictures i've seen i'll post them here. I know i saw some on tumblr.

Ah! Here is one that i remember!


Um where is the rest of Makoto's body?



I don't remember if this was specifically from the anime, but Mercury is missing her tiara in this picture.


These are two specific ones that I can think of. I know there are a couple other ones here and there. Its mostly from the early seasons.
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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   28th June 2011, 9:28 pm

Well its also the same thing with Neo-Queen Serenity's moon mark throughout the R season. At times, it was ON her forehead, and at other times it was BETWEEN her eyes.


on her forehead


between her eyebrows.

I think these are just animation errors. To go through everyone would take so long. Bad Toei! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   28th June 2011, 9:30 pm

Haha, probably lower budget with the first two seasons and rushed jobs doesn't help either! Ah the life of an animator. its a tough one. XD

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   28th June 2011, 9:33 pm

Yes exactly! I think the seasons with the least errors were mid to end of S and most of SuperS. a little bit of Stars too. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   28th June 2011, 9:39 pm

Brit-chan: Your images didnt work. :-(
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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   28th June 2011, 10:04 pm

I totally agree with you about the inconsistencies -- the animators were all over the place, which may have to do with the fact that there were (possibly three) of them working on the series. I say three, because there are mainly three different styles of the anime. The horrid bloated one, the regular, and then the really pretty art saved for VERY special episodes.


The three movies were done in a very pretty style too.

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   29th June 2011, 9:01 am

Haha, I jumped to conclusions and assumed it was mine.

Anyway, Rebecca, I totally agree with your post about the three different animation styles. It just seems that they had enough money to spare at least squeezing in a few more episodes of really pretty art...

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   29th June 2011, 9:41 am

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Brit-chan: Your images didnt work. :-(

Hm ok I'm on my phone now. I'll have to upload them to photobucket. I'll let ya know when I do it. ^^;
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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   30th June 2011, 12:57 am

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Brit-chan: Your images didnt work. :-(

They seem to be working now but i didn't change anything. o_o
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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   30th June 2011, 1:11 pm

I choose to believe it isn't a mistake because I love the idea of a Dark Neo Queen Serenity Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   30th June 2011, 1:22 pm

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I choose to believe it isn't a mistake because I love the idea of a Dark Neo Queen Serenity Twisted Evil

XD I choose to believe it is not a mistake either. But not because I want her to be evil. lol. I like to think that myabe there was an impostor or something -- but I could go for anything at this point. Gyah.

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   30th June 2011, 2:55 pm

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@Brit-chan wrote:
Well there have been times where they left out pieces of the Senshi's outfits or cut of body parts, etc. Thats why i wouldn't be surprised if it were a mistake.

I demande proof of this.
Here's ten pages worth. You'd be surprised what the animators got away with. In fact, the screencap of Neo Queen Serenity with the Black Moon mark is in there xD
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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   30th June 2011, 3:19 pm

Awesome! I think that's a thread I was thinking of but couldn't remember where. Good example of many possible mistakes. ^^

Edit: Some of the mistakes people point out, one for example is the broken fingers one, aren't mistakes. They are actually purposefully done in animation. Its a technique used to make things looked stretched or for expressions or fast movement. They will put in odd frames like that. Since its moving so fast while you are watching it, it looks like normal movement.



This one too is an example:
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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   30th June 2011, 3:38 pm

Yeah, that's true xD I think those might be a result of people looking too hard for mistakes >w>

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   30th June 2011, 4:08 pm

We certainly don't have a topic for errors in the Sailor Moon anime/manga but we could make one!

Also, I've checked out that website about Sailor Moon Errors, but some of them seem HIGHLY questionable and easily explained away.
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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   30th June 2011, 4:36 pm

You're right. We have gone so off topic (well sorta it kinda relates).

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   30th June 2011, 8:24 pm

I was intensely mistaken. I knew we had a topic for this! It's here. So if you want to continue speaking of the oddness that is the missing or disturbing animation, please go there, otherwise continue on with your wonderful Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity goodness! Smile /admining.
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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   4th July 2011, 9:29 pm

...forgive me, I know this is silly, but I can't resist: It means that Prince Diamond liked the Queen so much, he took to cosplaying her, and the photos of that got mixed up in the royal archives after paparazzi took them and put them into newspapers. Since they were tagged "Neo_Queen_Serenity", they popped up when searching the royal computer for images to illustrate what happened, and Endymion didn't notice, because he's farsighted from spending too much time on Tumblr for centuries...

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   13th August 2011, 7:26 am

Or maybe the animators supported the Prince Diamond/Neo Queen Serenity shipping. So in the anime she joined the dark side to have an affair with him XD

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   13th August 2011, 8:24 am

^^^ THIS. Totally.

AND CHIBIUSA IS ACTUALLY THEIR LOVE CHILD. Buahaha.

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   13th August 2011, 12:22 pm

LMAO that would be hilarious. That's why Black Moon where looking for her. He just wanted his child back XD

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   13th August 2011, 12:35 pm

It would also explain Black Lady- all that time, they'd tried to keep her power suppressed by halting her growth, but suddenly she grew up- and wanted revenge. *cue scary background music out of a cheap horror movie*

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   13th August 2011, 2:29 pm

Oh crap, so MamoruxChibiusa could actually work without being creepy.

....

Nah. It's still creepy.

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PostSubject: Re: [SPOILER] Dark Moon Neo Queen Serenity?   13th August 2011, 2:29 pm

this would be an awesome/creepy fanfic XD

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