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PostSubject: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   29th June 2011, 7:45 pm

Who is Sailor Cosmos?


In Act 51 of Sailor Stars, Chibi Chibi finally reverts to her true form, a mysterious and ambiguous Senshi from the far future named Sailor Cosmos. Her true identity has puzzled fans since her debut, and Naoko Takeuchi herself said that Cosmos's true identity was meant to be ambiguous, even to herself. The three most common theories are that Sailor Cosmos is from an alternate universe, a completely unrelated Senshi altogether, or the evolved form of Sailor Moon from a far, far future, past 30th century Crystal Tokyo. I agree with the very last theory for numerous reasons.

1. In an interview with fans, Takeuchi-san herself stated this


2. Sailor Cosmos's statements in Act 52


Cosmos states that she "remembers the battle here." The only people at the Galaxy Cauldron are Sailor Moon and the Sailor Quartet, meaning that she is the future form of one of them.


In two different translations, she says that "the me of here" or "my self here" is alone and suffering, with a picture of Chibi Chibi hugging Usagi in the background. Because Cosmos is Chibi Chibi, she must be referring to Usagi.



3. Neo-Queen Serenity's statements in Act 19


Or more specifically,

The Usagi that we all know and love is a soldier whose kindness is only matched by her bravery. Time and time again, her strong heart and courage save the world, and eventually, the Galaxy, from certain destruction. However, impossible as it may seem, what if these traits waned a little over time? Neo-Queen Serenity says that she could not keep a strong heart and the courage to defeat Death Phantom. Sailor Cosmos states that she did not have the courage and strength to stand alone and accept everything. She also commented that all of her friends were dead; who else could those friends be than her eternally loyal court? Confused and alone, this may have caused Cosmos to abandon her mantle and her courage and travel back into the past.

4. Neo-Queen Serenity may have been able to transform into a Senshi once again

In the above picture, NQS says that she has lost the ability to transform into Sailor Moon because the Ginzuishou had evolved. What if the Ginzuishou, her own star seed, continues to evolve and change, allowing her to attain higher and higher forms, eventually becoming Sailor Cosmos? She would need this powerful form to fight Sailor Chaos.

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Anyway, that's only my opinion! I've been wanting to do that for a long time but only recently decided to string all of the evidence together. The great thing about Sailor Cosmos is that any and all opinions of her (well, not the crack ones!) can make sense, which is probably what Naoko intended. You should post your own theories, too! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   29th June 2011, 8:28 pm

You raised points that I had as well!

First, her identity. At first, I had no doubt that she was future sailor moon. It seemed undebatable, because she states it in the manga. Doubtful of possibly missing something, I went back and re-read it.

When she first arrives she is asked:


And she responds:


When I saw this I thought perhaps that she was not alluding the question but instead denying her being Sailor Moon. She continues to state that she was a coward who ran away from a battle in the future and that she was not able to meet Eternal Sailor Moon's courage and strength. I realized that this could be taken as not being as strong as her past self but rather that Eternal Sailor Moon is some one else entirely -- that as Cosmos, she fought along side of Eternal Sailor Moon. But honestly, I always took this as her meaning that yes, she is Sailor Moon's future form but she lost a battle in the future.

Then she makes that comment about her comforting her past self. Regardless of the translation, I think it states that she is Sailor Moon. To me, this cancels out all doubts. Doesn't she state it clearly there that she is the future Sailor Moon? The next page also has her stating that Eternal Sailor Moon is Sailor Cosmos' true form.



Now, going with the theory that she is in fact the future Sailor Moon, I began to wonder about the future. I've often found it curious that Sailor Moon seems to have weakened in the future. Neo Queen Serenity states it and Cosmos confesses to it as well. A part of me imagines that this may have been due to Neo Queen Serenity becoming queen and no longer fighting.

Throughout Sailor Moon's journey as a soldier, the only way she is able to progress as a senshi is when she is forced to protect the ones she loves. Each battle drives her need, her desperation to become stronger. She is forced to. She connects to the Silver crystal and either begs for it or commands it to give her new strength. She calls upon Mamoru's power and love, and each time she surpasses herself.

King Endyniom and Neo Queen Serenity both speak of centuries of peace. These were countless years of Usagi no longer possessing the need to strengthen herself. I image as a Queen, her role settled on being a ruler -- more decision making than training -- with the senshi the only ones who needed to stay as soldiers in order to protect their queen. I can imagine Usagi's powers weakening and the crystal "dulling" in the same way. Since the crystal reacts to Usagi's needs, maybe it "transformed" to become the aid to a queen and not a soldier, hence her not being and to transform.

Regardless of this statement, I do not think it proves that she could not become Sailor Cosmos eventually. Every time people think Usagi has reached her ultimate form, she surpasses herself. This could have happened with Cosmos. However, with her being in a weakened state (not very much soldier training) when she finally did become a senshi again, Sailor Cosmos, maybe this form was not as strong as Eternal Sailor Moon because A. the time lapse from the last time she was a senshi and B. perhaps her loved ones were already dead and she lost that need to protect them.


That is enough for now. I have other questions but I will leave that for a separate post. ^^

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   29th June 2011, 8:31 pm

Ok so I'm going to copy pasta Sailor failures' theories on Cosmos here for debate purposes, since i remember this being a bit of a disucssion back in March.

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Anonymous asked: Who is Sailor Cosmos? I hear it's debatable.

If there’s one thing you should take away from this Tumblr, it’s that everything is debatable.

But yes. Naoko made Sailor Cosmos’s identity ambiguous on purpose. She’s referred to as “A future Sailor Moon”. Now, many people take this to mean that she’s Usagi Tsukino’s distant, distant, distant future self. To me, that doesn’t make any sense. Does that make her Sailor Cosmos in the 30th Century? She’s near the end of her lifespan at that time, and once she becomes Neo Queen Serenity, she loses the power to transform at all (which is why Chibi-Usa becomes a Sailor Soldier - to take her place). So could Sailor Cosmos be Usagi from some time before that? But the war Cosmos flees back in time from is meant to be in the distant, distant, distant future. Usagi Tsukino herself doesn’t live that long.

But, if you think of it that Chibi-Usa - when she completes her training - will eventually stop being “Sailor Chibi Moon” and become just regular “Sailor Moon”, it makes sense that her child - and her child’s child, and so on - would also inherit the powers of the Silver Crystal and become the next “Sailor Moon” of their (incredibly long) generation.

While it is ambiguous, my opinion is that Sailor Cosmos is not Usagi Tsukino, but rather her very very distant decendant who inherited the title “Sailor Moon”.

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Cosmos’s power is definitely different to that of Sailor Moon; instead of the Silver Crystal, she mentions “Lambda Power”, doesn’t she? This supports the theory that Cosmos is Usagi’s descendant instead of her future self; since once Chibi-Usa becomes able to use the Silver Crystal, it becomes the “Pink Moon Crystal”, implying that it takes on the characteristics of its new owner. The Silver Crystal could have evolved, over time, into the “Cosmos Crystal” that Sailor Cosmos owns.

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kittyglitterbox asked: I love all this Sailor Cosmos talk! She is such a interesting character!

I think she is probably like the "spirit" of Sailor Moon (Past, Present and Future) . The strange way she reffers to herself makes me think she is a shared spirit that all the "sailor moons" posses. Which could be kinda neat if you think about it. It almost seems there is a "heroine" spirit takes over Usagi in moments of crisis, that heroine spririt could be "cosmos" that ultimate heroine that lives in the women of the moon generations. Not saying these girls arent capable of being a heroine without a forigen thing taking over, but that spirit is just born into them, a facet of their person.

I dunno thats just what I kinda pieced together to appease my mind. ^_^

I do agree that Cosmos isn't Usagi, cause I don't think usagi would EVER change her hair style to heart shaped Odango's! She's got a image to uphold. Wink hehe



Yeah, it makes sense that she’s some kind of descendant who shares some of Usagi’s memories, like Usagi shares memories with Princess Serenity.
… The Cosmos Crystal and Lambda Power are powers of rebirth; so actually, this is a really good theory - that one of Usagi’s descendants, a future Sailor Moon, died in a war - and then, many hundreds of years later, was reborn in a different time, just like Princess Serenity was reborn as Usagi; and this “new reincarnation” was Cosmos, who was reincarnated with the memories of many previous Sailor Moons. This would explain Cosmos’s ambiguity, her shared memories with Usagi, her solidarity, and the fact that she comes from SO far into the future. I kind of like that theory, haha.


Here's another good point that was brought up in an ask!
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Anonymous asked: sorry for bringing up cosmos again but this has been bugging me for awhile after reading the asks. For the people that insists cosmos is usagi in the future, they're forgetting one key detail. (I'm going by the manga) in the 2nd arc where chibi-usa was introduced, i remember clearly they saying the past and future selves can't be around each other for too long or it can cause some kind of disruption. and since chibichibi was cosmos in disguise and she was around usagi for a hella long time, they can't be the same person.

Oh, that’s true, wasn’t it? When Usagi and Neo Queen Serenity met, they did so knowing that there were like, a billionty risks involved. Of course, they turned out Alright In The End, but they only spent about five minutes near each other. One wonders if Cosmos being Usagi’s direct future self would really be able to spend that much time around her, without messing something up.



For sake of tl;dr in this thread, I'm gunna post the rest of her asks in link form. But I doubt they'll be in order cause i kinda just went through them randomly. XD

http://sailorfailures.tumblr.com/post/4094511550/hey-since-there-seems-to-be-a-string-of-chibi-chibi

http://sailorfailures.tumblr.com/post/4094308190/your-cosmos-theory-is-super-interesting-i-always-enjoy

http://sailorfailures.tumblr.com/post/4084650070/hello-i-just-wanted-to-correct-you-earlier-you-said

This ask was by me. ^_^
http://sailorfailures.tumblr.com/post/4094749490/on-the-subject-of-sailor-cosmos-i-always-figured-that


Lastly here is a good point she makes about the debate.
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To be fair, though, if we’re arguing what is and isn’t Canon, then canon stops at “Sailor Cosmos is the future Sailor Moon”. Whether she is Usagi, or Usagi’s descendant/reincarnation, is all fanon.


Anyway, I post hers cause many of the asks had different ideas and theories to add to the discussion and honeslty I can't really decide what i want it to be yet. ^^;


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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   29th June 2011, 8:56 pm

Ok, so as much as I already wrote above, I still have more to ask about! Gyah, do not hate. orz


Sailor Cosmos -- her identity, her relationship to Usagi and Neo Queen Serenity -- it is all so much. But now that that has all happened, what does this mean for the future?

Cosmos makes her arrival by transforming from Chibi Chibi and kissing Usagi.


However, right after this scene, Usagi goes into the cauldron. All that talk that Cosmos makes is never heard by Usagi at all. When she finally returns to her friends, Cosmos is gone. Chibi-Usa's senshi also leave before she can talk to them, so the only ones who know that Cosmos is Usagi's future self are the starlights. Now, we actually never see them leave (which I just realized now and I find to be insanely odd on Naoko's part. They are such a huge part in Usagi's life in the stars, what gives? Anyway.) One could assume that they tell Usagi about Cosmos, but I hate basing my opinions on theories that have no evidence. So I will just leave this as is.

My question remains: is the future changed by Cosmos coming here? Will everyone die and will Cosmos be alone? Usagi is not able to change her future because she does not know about it. She knows from Guardian Cosmos that there will continue to be battles, but it is alright, Usagi believes that she and her loved ones can handle such future trials. So it is now up to Cosmos to change the future when she returns.


To me, I read this as Cosmos receiving power from Eternal Sailor Moon both physically and mentally. I believe that she can and does change the future. She has received the power and strengthened her own crystal and I believe she also has the willpower. And as we have seen throughout all of the manga, when Usagi is determined to save the earth and her friends, she does. It is not a punchy line or a slogan -- it is a fact. It is what makes her starseed shine brighter than the rest and why she is Sailor Moon.

Even if her loved ones are dead in the future, once she has defeated the enemy she can bring them back, like she has done countless times in the past. Why would the future, with her new resolved strength, be any different?



Alright, finally finished! I can't wait to see what the rest of you have to say. I love all these theories and thoughts by fellow moonies. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   29th June 2011, 9:10 pm

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But, if you think of it that Chibi-Usa - when she completes her training - will eventually stop being “Sailor Chibi Moon” and become just regular “Sailor Moon”, it makes sense that her child - and her child’s child, and so on - would also inherit the powers of the Silver Crystal and become the next “Sailor Moon” of their (incredibly long) generation.

I do not buy that theory of there being "replacements" of Sailor Moon. I truly believe that there is only one that can ever be like Usagi. Chibi Usa is her child, but I do not believe she posses he purity that Usagi/Sailor Moon is. I believe there is only one entity like her. But even if I am wrong, I still feel that Cosmos is Usagi (for all the reasons I already stated above).

However, what completely contradicts all of my theories is the notion that Chibi Usa takes the silver crystal from the future and makes it her own -- Neo Queen Serenity no longer has one. But there is still the second one -- Usagi's present crystal, which will stay with her until she is Queen, so that still brings two crystals into play, yes? Did I just fix myself?

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For the people that insists cosmos is usagi in the future, they're forgetting one key detail. (I'm going by the manga) in the 2nd arc where chibi-usa was introduced, i remember clearly they saying the past and future selves can't be around each other for too long or it can cause some kind of disruption. and since chibichibi was cosmos in disguise and she was around usagi for a hella long time, they can't be the same person.
Just how long were Usagi and Chibi Chibi together? It's hard to tell the timeline in the manga. I can't imagine more than a few months? They are in school when they start the stars and I get the impression everything happened quite fast. Naoko tends to condense plotlines so I cannot be sure. Anyway, Usagi met Neo Queen Serenity and the world did not fall apart. They mentioned that history could be changed but I think that is all. Throughout the manga, whenever they show Chibi Usa in the future, things seem to be the same -- nothing too drastic seemed to have happened. Chibi Chibi is Usagi's very distant self, and an altered form of hers as well -- I think it is still ok that they are together.


Oh, and on top of all this, I believe Usagi is immortal, based on Mamoru's last words.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   30th June 2011, 10:34 am

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I do not buy that theory of there being "replacements" of Sailor Moon. I truly believe that there is only one that can ever be like Usagi. Chibi Usa is her child, but I do not believe she posses he purity that Usagi/Sailor Moon is. I believe there is only one entity like her. But even if I am wrong, I still feel that Cosmos is Usagi (for all the reasons I already stated above).

See, people get that impression from the Black Moon Arc when Sailor Chibi Moon was referred to as "the new Sailor Moon" or "the one who will replace Sailor Moon", etc. I feel that this was Takeuchi's ORIGINAL intent, but as the series wore on, she became even more attached to Usagi and Chibiusa and wanted them to remain their own entities. This shows in the end of Stars; Chibiusa has finally become a Sailor Soldier in her own right, with her own team, but she still goes by the title Sailor Chibi Moon. That's who she is and always will be, and Usagi will always be the one and only Sailor Moon.

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However, what completely contradicts all of my theories is the notion that Chibi Usa takes the silver crystal from the future and makes it her own -- Neo Queen Serenity no longer has one. But there is still the second one -- Usagi's present crystal, which will stay with her until she is Queen, so that still brings two crystals into play, yes? Did I just fix myself?

You know, I'm actually going to write an article about that! Pluto dies and Chibiusa's tears turn into a Silver Crystal and she becomes Sailor Chibi Moon. However, the crystal she cries is not Neo-Queen Serenity's. Remember, Usagi is holding her Silver Crystal and Sailor Venus is holding the Silver Crystal of the future, which is still shown in her hands AFTER Chibiusa's new Silver Crystal is shown. Plus, in the Dream Arc, Usagi states that power is born, not taken.

Vomitdirt wrote:
Just how long were Usagi and Chibi Chibi together? It's hard to tell the timeline in the manga. I can't imagine more than a few months? They are in school when they start the stars and I get the impression everything happened quite fast. Naoko tends to condense plotlines so I cannot be sure. Anyway, Usagi met Neo Queen Serenity and the world did not fall apart. They mentioned that history could be changed but I think that is all. Throughout the manga, whenever they show Chibi Usa in the future, things seem to be the same -- nothing too drastic seemed to have happened. Chibi Chibi is Usagi's very distant self, and an altered form of hers as well -- I think it is still ok that they are together.


Oh, and on top of all this, I believe Usagi is immortal, based on Mamoru's last words.

I believe this, too. Also, I believe that the whole "past and future being together" thing was something that Takeuchi had forgotten. After all, she wrote Stars a few years after R.
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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   30th June 2011, 12:35 pm

Problem with that is as an author, you should be aware of continuity issues like that. I'm surprised the editor allowed it to slide. Usually those sorts of things are caught, but I also realize manga is a bit different than writing books because you probably have shorter deadlines than a novel does. It still bothers me that they let things like that slide though. :/
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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   30th June 2011, 1:05 pm

I agree both with Brit-chan and Sailor Cosmos that there may be constradictions in the manga due to Naoko Takeuchi. This is not uncommon for a lot of mangaka to, as they develop their characters, "change" certain rules or ideas. I guess this goes along the line of maturing as a storyteller, but it can bring confusion. I think there are several times in the R arc that Naoko mentions things that she later does not hold to.

And Cosmos -- I totally forgot that Venus holds the future silver crystal while Usagi has one and Chibi-Usa cries her own. Thank you so much for that! I need to re-read that chapter so I can refresh my memory. I'm really glad that that occurs in the manga though. Hehe. I look forward to your article! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   30th June 2011, 1:35 pm

My head hurts...

I'm for the idea that Usagi has an eternal soul (as she is Sailor Moon) and becomes Sailor Cosmos in a future reincarnation.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   30th June 2011, 1:48 pm

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My head hurts...

I'm for the idea that Usagi has an eternal soul (as she is Sailor Moon) and becomes Sailor Cosmos in a future reincarnation.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   30th June 2011, 1:55 pm

I personally (having not read the entire Manga and only knowing what you all have posted about Cosmos) prefer either the idea that she is the descendent of Usagi and Chibi-Usa, or that she is Selenity in another dimension/after a tragic event taking place near the end of the 30th Century.
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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   30th June 2011, 3:22 pm

@Sailor Azoth wrote:
My head hurts...

I'm for the idea that Usagi has an eternal soul (as she is Sailor Moon) and becomes Sailor Cosmos in a future reincarnation.
My version is a combination of this and what SailorFailures had. When Chibiusa finally reaches adulthood, two things happen- First, Chibiusa officially inherits the title of Sailor Moon and lead protector of the Sol System; then Neo Queen dies, and her Star Seed goes to the Cauldron to be reincarnated as Sailor Cosmos, protector of the entire universe. Cosmos shares memories with Usagi and Princess Serenity, but is not the same person as either of them and is not biologically Chibiusa's mother (compare Queen Serenity's relationship with Usagi). While they are not biologically related and don't get the chance to interact very often due to their individual duties, Chibiusa and Cosmos are very close and tend to join together for important final battles.


My only problem with the Sailor Cosmos concept is... what happens to the other Sol Senshi and Mamoru? They don't seem as easily able to graduate to bigger roles as Usagi; in fact, I doubt they would end up leaving the Solar System at all. Is Cosmos really all alone in the future? Perhaps that's why her heart becomes weak- because she no longer has friends or even Mamoru to support her? That makes the most sense, but I don't like it. :c
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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   30th June 2011, 10:53 pm

i commented on cosmos' tumblr page [i think it was cosmos, anyway] and i'll just paste what i said to her.

"i read this in the wiki about sailor cosmos:

"To destroy Chaos, she decided that she also had to destroy the Galaxy Cauldron, and so in the form of Chibi Chibi she tried to guide her past self, Eternal Sailor Moon, towards that end. Even though Eternal Sailor Moon was determined to save the Cauldron and chose a different path, she nevertheless inspired hope in Sailor Cosmos with her power and courage. She stated that the Eternal Sailor Moon who had saved the galaxy was, in fact, the true form of Sailor Cosmos, and that once she had that same courage and strength, only then would she truly be Sailor Cosmos."

so really, i guess it is future sailor moon? or one of the possible out comes that usagi could become depending on usagi and the senshi's victories? i remember reading somewhere in one of the prior arcs that there would be countless outcomes or something like that. i think sailor pluto told the senshi that when they went back in time through the space time corridor. i mean, just because 30th century crystal tokyo was SHOWN, doesn't' mean, according to pluto, that it would be the future they'd achieve [or something like that]. i think that naoko wanted us to believe in whatever future we wanted for usagi, because really, that was only ONE possible future we saw. plus, naoko came out with a side story called parallel sailor moon, so you never know. "

i do like, however, the idea of an eternal spirit. it doesn't neccesarily have to be usagi's, but moreover the goodness within people's hearts [since that's mentioned and relied upon a great deal against mistress 90, not to mention usagi is always faced with the trust in people, so, just throwing some things out there].

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   1st July 2011, 8:22 am

I really like what you said Hana.

I mean, Cosmos doesn't have to be this realities Sailor Moon. She could be from a time/era where Sailor Moon failed to protect her friends before becoming Eternal Sailor Moon, and instead became Cosmos. Perhaps at a critical juncture her courage or her love wained, and the crystal acted accordingly. Perhaps Crystal Tokyo is the best possible future... that would still leave hundreds, if not thousands or millions of others.

I dont understand a whole lot about Time Travel, and what I do understand is often a paradox in and of itself. But I do know one thing for certain: All of our actions create a two separate paths in the river of time. For example: In one path, Usagi found the courage to defeat Metallia with the Silver Crystal and save her friends. Perhaps in another stream, she was able to stop Metallia, but not without it costing the lives of her friends because upon seeing their lifeless bodies she was so overcome with grief and sadness, she was unable to will them back to life. (There are several other alternatives here, which also lead to all the Senshi staying dead, and Sailor Moon becoming the most avid destroyer of all things Chaos that she becomes this badass Xena/Rambo person, but these are just examples).
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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   1st July 2011, 11:48 am

I personally don't like the alternate realities theory.. It doesn't really make sense, and seems like a cop out almost.

I really like Sailor Azoth's theory so far the best.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   1st July 2011, 12:03 pm

Alternate realities is actually more feasible, imo. It might be a cop out for the story itself, but it could happen. I'm not familiar with time travel theories, but i think the creation of alternate realities when one does travel in time is an actual scientific theory.

But I think I'm in more agreement with Sailor Azoth, that Cosmos in a future reincarnation of Sailor Moon.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   1st July 2011, 1:31 pm

well think about it, usagi met her future self as the queen, hence stepping into "another time" or "another world". but then again, naoko would have explained more in depth and done more with 30th century crystal tokyo. and in the wiki quote, it said cosmos went back into time to help guide HER PAST SELF. there are many theories, really, that in time of crisis, usagi could possibly transform again. she did so with her "crisis, make up!" transformation, and then again when she finally attained eternal sailor moon form. usagi always surpasses herself, so i don't believe that she'd become queen and POOF, that's it, done. that's not the type of character we watched mature over 4 series, and read in the manga.

so far, though. i like the eternal spirit of human kindness and will. usagi is not the epitome of ALL human kindness, bunnies, fluff, pillows, sugar, lollipops, and happiness. she is one girl who is amazingly caring, and who would do anything to protect her loved ones. let's not make this out to be a miracle girl. i'm sure anyone one of us would die or put their life on the line for the people we love. i would, but that doesn't make me the spokesperson of overall compassion and kindness.

sailor cosmos. her name should say it all. she is the cosmos, the light fighting the darkness that is chaos. it's exactly like ying yang, however the senshi and all of the evil bad guys are merely pawns that balance the scale, tip it slightly to left, to the right, or makes the darn thing explode! usagi is part of cosmos, but so is everyone else [as stated from chibiusa when she prayed to the people of the world to save elysion]. cosmos lives and fights with the help of peoples' hearts and dreams, the lights within their hearts. chaos thrives off of the greed and envy. so really, chaos took over galaxia, so perhaps cosmos took over sailor moon? and perhaps after the battle, when chaos was sealed again or thrown into the cauldron whichever, cosmos went back to the place she belongs, inside everyone's hearts.

matter of fact, one of usagi's last comments to galaxia was this:
galaxia: where is chaos now?
usagi: within everyone's hearts.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   1st July 2011, 1:36 pm

Yes! That is a good line. I think i mentioned it in the good and evil thread.

On this, it kinda reminds me of Star Wars where there must be a balance to the force. In the prequel movies, all the sith are mostly gone and the force is unbalanced, too many Jedi. That is why Anakin is technically the chosen one. He brings balance to the force by killing almost all the Jedi. Its a sad way to do it, but true. Its very similar to the concept of Cosmos and Chaos in Sailor Moon. Except more sparkly magical girls. XD

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   1st July 2011, 2:02 pm

Something I just want to throw out there is... I find it a smidge odd that there is a Guardian Cosmos, and a Sailor Cosmos... why do duplicate names?

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   1st July 2011, 2:14 pm

I always wondered about that as well, Lady Galaxia! It seemed as is Takeuchi had run out of names, although I highly doubt that that is the case. In the manga, the senshi are introduced to their "guardian" senshi, who are miniature versions of them. I can not remember, but do we ever see Usagi's?

It is odd though, to me, that Sailor Cosmos' Guardian (if that is her guardian at all), does not look like her. It seems that Guardian Cosmos is literally the guardian of the Cosmos, just like Pluto is the guardian of time and space. Perhaps Guardian Cosmos has no relation to the Sailor Senshi Cosmos, but instead to the object of the Cosmos.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   4th July 2011, 12:30 am

Also to note on the "If the future and past meet themselves commment" They did meet, to me that means they disrupted time and space somewhere. Which is why Sailor Moon evolved and why more enemies kept coming. All the senshi where in their Original first starting forms in the R season, in Crystal Tokyo. They also evolved, I don't believe the they restarted thing and end up being back to their first forms.

They did meet so it messed with time, along with when she met Cosmos even though it was short it could have messed with time. Granted we will never know that part of it, but I believe that the Neo Queen Serenity, the past Sailor Moon met became a void because they were in contact, along with the you choose your own fate kind of thing. I believe Usagi never lost her powers, since this time flux and disturbance happened, which ends up to her being Sailor Cosmos sometime down into the future. Since it was said that the Ginzuishou was immortal.
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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   4th July 2011, 1:57 am

WOAH GUYS, I JUST HAD A MINDTRIP. OMG. XD

look at cosmos' forehead. does it remind you of anyone?

QUEEN SERENITY'S CROWN MINUS THE CRESCENT MOON. WOAH TRIPPY.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   4th July 2011, 3:45 am

I see Cosmos as either a descendant or future reincarnation of Usagi. I also think that everyone--her fellow soldiers, her lover, her child--has been killed by Sailor Chaos, which is why she ran away and tried to change the past. She was supposed to be the "ultimate" Sailor Moon, but had forgotten the faith and love that Eternal Sailor Moon had. Thus, she was Sailor Cosmos in name only.

What's key is the power she speaks of, the power "to lose everything, and to save everything." Just as something gained can be lost, what is lost can also be regained. Happiness doesn't last forever, but neither does sorrow.

But Sailor Cosmos had forgotten that. As such, her resolve weakened, she became pessimistic, and she returned to the past to "fix" everything. However, her solution was to destroy the cauldron so that the stars would die off, and there would be no future. Were that to happen, the galaxy would indeed be peaceful--if by "peaceful," you mean "stagnant" or possibly "non-existent."

And even in that case, as Galaxia says, a new cauldron would be born somewhere, and the wheels of chaos would begin to turn once again.

Sailor Cosmos finally realizes this when she says, "No one can destroy the place where stars are born." And in speaking of the power "to lose and save everything," she echoes Sailor Saturn's statement when she says, "Always at the end, comes hope and rebirth." To truly do something over, there needs to be an end.

The concept of "Cosmos" (as a philosophical concept) is often illustrated by a circle or sphere. There is no definite beginning or end. I feel like Sailor Cosmos is sort of an embodiment of that concept--to us readers, I mean, not in-universe, as she's a real character with her own history and personality.

That's what she means to me at this point.

ETA: I also get the feeling that Sailor Cosmos is from an almost inconceivably distant future. She is not Usagi's great-grandchild, or even Chibiusa's great-grandchild (or Usagi's 2nd reincarnation or 3rd reincarnation or 33rd reincarnation). She's the Sailor Moon of thousands or even millions of years into the future. Obviously, there's no evidence to support this. I just sort of get that feeling when I read the manga.
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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   4th July 2011, 4:26 pm

Ai-No-Hana wrote:
WOAH GUYS, I JUST HAD A MINDTRIP. OMG. XD
look at cosmos' forehead. does it remind you of anyone?
QUEEN SERENITY'S CROWN MINUS THE CRESCENT MOON. WOAH TRIPPY.
Not that I believe that theory, but that would be FREAKING AWESOME if it were Queen Serenity from the future. I would LOVE that. XD Not that it makes any sense. I still believe Cosmos is Usagi. Hee. But Hana-ko -- awesome mindtrip! XD

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They did meet, to me that means they disrupted time and space somewhere. Which is why Sailor Moon evolved and why more enemies kept coming.
I have to disagree on that one. I do not think their meeting is what caused Usagi to evolve and allow more enemies to come. Whenever she does evolve into Super Sailor Moon and eventually Eternal Sailor Moon, Chibi Usa always recalls how she was told stories of Usagi's ultimate form or Super Sailor Moon and then Eternal Sailor Moon. Now this could be some wacky time theory (which always makes my head spin) but I think she was going to to evolve regardless and that enemies were always going to come -- because of the cauldron.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   5th July 2011, 2:52 am

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Ai-No-Hana wrote:
WOAH GUYS, I JUST HAD A MINDTRIP. OMG. XD
look at cosmos' forehead. does it remind you of anyone?
QUEEN SERENITY'S CROWN MINUS THE CRESCENT MOON. WOAH TRIPPY.
Not that I believe that theory, but that would be FREAKING AWESOME if it were Queen Serenity from the future. I would LOVE that. XD Not that it makes any sense. I still believe Cosmos is Usagi. Hee. But Hana-ko -- awesome mindtrip! XD

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They did meet, to me that means they disrupted time and space somewhere. Which is why Sailor Moon evolved and why more enemies kept coming.
I have to disagree on that one. I do not think their meeting is what caused Usagi to evolve and allow more enemies to come. Whenever she does evolve into Super Sailor Moon and eventually Eternal Sailor Moon, Chibi Usa always recalls how she was told stories of Usagi's ultimate form or Super Sailor Moon and then Eternal Sailor Moon. Now this could be some wacky time theory (which always makes my head spin) but I think she was going to to evolve regardless and that enemies were always going to come -- because of the cauldron.


^^^

I agree.

LOLOL, man, what if Naoko comes out one day and just gives everyone a mind trip saying it was Queen Serenity. LOL. oh goood, my head. xD or something completely different like, USAGI'S FUTURE CHILDDD. not chibi-usa but another one. xD /done being silly.
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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   5th July 2011, 10:16 am

I agree with Rachael. I see Cosmos as form of Usagi who has come from thousands upon thousands of years in the future. A future far beyond the 30th Century. Sailor Moon will keep changing and evolving along with the Silver Crystal until she eventually becomes Sailor Cosmos.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   9th July 2011, 1:04 pm

I am surprised no one caught this or posted it.



This is an excerpt from a page in the final act, Act 52, where Cosmos is talking to the Sailor Quartet and she says, quite plainly (in the Mixx scanlation) that she is from the far future where, after Usagi and Chaos melted into the Galaxy Cauldron and were reborn with all the other scouts in the 30th century (so they do not LIVE from now until the 30th century, they are reborn there), she and Chaos fight again, but she was unable to beat him (probably due to not being used to being a Scout and so she was not as strong as she was as Sailor Moon) so she ran away. So Cosmos is indeed a future form of Sailor Moon (according to this translation anyway).

If you want me to back this up with more image-proof, I can certainly do that.
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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   9th July 2011, 11:17 pm

I just think Naoko's imagination was just a bit careless with the time-travel factor (which isn't a problem, we all love the use of time in Sailor Moon). But meeting yourself in the future would really bring a lot of changes to our past, present and future. Any little change, little detail that changes in the past or in the future should completely disrupt the time line.

But enough about the time. Sailor Cosmos, i do believe, is Sailor Moon's future form.
Something that caught my attention is that Sailor Cosmos charms (the jewelry in her collar and forehead) are star shaped, not Crescent Moon shaped, or heart. In the night sky, the stars shine, but not as brightly and big as the moon. Sailor Moon shines no matter what, her love is eternal, and Sailor Cosmos lost perspective of this.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   10th July 2011, 8:39 am

@jaknel wrote:

But enough about the time. Sailor Cosmos, i do believe, is Sailor Moon's future form.
Something that caught my attention is that Sailor Cosmos charms (the jewelry in her collar and forehead) are star shaped, not Crescent Moon shaped, or heart. In the night sky, the stars shine, but not as brightly and big as the moon. Sailor Moon shines no matter what, her love is eternal, and Sailor Cosmos lost perspective of this.

I REALLY love that theory! It's very beautiful.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Who is Sailor Cosmos?   11th July 2011, 12:10 pm

@jaknel wrote:
But enough about the time. Sailor Cosmos, i do believe, is Sailor Moon's future form.
Something that caught my attention is that Sailor Cosmos charms (the jewelry in her collar and forehead) are star shaped, not Crescent Moon shaped, or heart. In the night sky, the stars shine, but not as brightly and big as the moon. Sailor Moon shines no matter what, her love is eternal, and Sailor Cosmos lost perspective of this.

That is a beautiful way of thinking. Smile

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