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Did Usagi actually stab herself and die?
No (Saved by Pocket Watch and Fainted)
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 57% [ 4 ]
Yes (Died until Saved by Inners/Silver Crystal)
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 43% [ 3 ]
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PostSubject: Debate: Did Usagi Successfully Kill Herself in the Manga?   3rd September 2016, 10:37 am

Did things actually happen as they were stated in the manga here? 


Did Mamoru's pocket watch and the Shittenou Stones actually appear and protect Mamoru and Usagi respectively from ever being stabbed and actually dying?   Did they both simply pass out at the moment that Usagi used the sword to try to stab them?  Did the Inners sacrificing their lives then simply wake-up an unconscious Usagi from inside Metalia?

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Did Usagi successfully kill Mamoru and herself?  Then either the Inners sacrfice, the power of the Silver crystal, or some combination of the two subtly changed history so that Usagi/Mamoru didn't die instead adding the absurd coincidences of the fainting + watch/stones magically appearing and protecting them.


(The part in yellow is how much of the Holy Sword is not shown...ie how much the pocket watch would have had to have blocked.   Does not seem possible unless the sword was made out of rubber.  So did Naoko suddenly forget how long the sword actually was?)
*Bottom of the sword image was taken from 2 pages prior with an slight perspective adjustment done to better match the angle of this image.  This slightly shortened it*


(An image of the pocket watch that appears at the start of Act 13 after the stabbing.  Merely symbolic or a hint that the watch has not been further damaged yet? *see top image for the state of the watch after Usagi Wakes up*  Also are those just random squiggles or is that blood coming out of Usagi's stomach on the same page?  *there are no other similar squiggles on the page*)
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Did Usagi Successfully Kill Herself in the Manga?   3rd September 2016, 1:11 pm

I always thought that she didn't-or at least it wasn't fatal. If those squiggles were indeed blood, then the crystal managed to heal their injuries and the killing blow was blocked by both the stones and the watch.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Did Usagi Successfully Kill Herself in the Manga?   7th September 2016, 12:05 am

It wouldn't be the first-- or last-- time that what Naoko drew was inconsistent with what was intended to happen in a given scene. Razz Sometimes physics fail in deference to art.

I believe the image of her stabbing herself (where it looks like the sword really went through) was a fake-out. Consider that she did the same thing with Haruka in her introduction: she was constantly drawn with masculine features to make you *think* she was male, until it is finally revealed that she is female. If she was always drawn recognizably as female, the readers would already know the secret long before it's revealed, and that would have reduced its impact.

So in this case, I believe the images were fake-outs, made to make the reader believe they had died until it is revealed that they weren't; otherwise it would have reduced the impact of the scene.

As for the blood, it is very plausible that she did injure herself but then healed through the power of the Silver Crystal, since that seems to be the nature of the Silver Crystal anyway.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Did Usagi Successfully Kill Herself in the Manga?   8th September 2016, 5:46 am

I always assumed the pocket watch, the stones, and love saved them. But, oh, the drama if they actually died!

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Did Usagi Successfully Kill Herself in the Manga?   16th September 2016, 4:41 pm

You know, I recently read a fanfic about the Silver Crystal that *might* help give a little bit of insight into this discussion.  https://www.fanfiction.net/s/2299164/1/I-Ginzuishou Of course what's written as the story would be that author's headcanon, but you get a look at the scene in question from the point-of-view of the crystal. In particular:



I, Ginsuishou wrote:
...I seized the strings of destiny and pulled. Instead of a hit, a miss; instead of a pierced heart, a cracked watch, a quartet of broken stones.

This scene in the fanfic reminded me of a couple of things:



1. Sometimes the items that the Sailor Senshi obtains are sentient. The Moon Kaleidoscope spoke to her. Sailor V's pen spoke also. So it's possible the Silver Crystal really DID have some sway over the events.


2. The stones were the four generals and perhaps they, too, persuaded fate to protect Endymion as Serenity was protected by her Silver Crystal.


Just a couple of thoughts.

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