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PostSubject: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   28th March 2012, 4:52 pm

So when do you guys actually think Michiru became a Sailor Senshi...

Before Sailor V?
Between the reigns of Sailor V and Sailor Moon?
During the awakening of the other Sailor Senshi?
After their awakening, during the rest of the Dark Kingdom arc?
Between the battles between the Dark Kingdom and the Black Moon Clan?
During the Black Moon Clan's invasion?
Between the Black Moon Clan and the Death Busters?

Personally I think it happened during the Black Moon Clan's invasion... because I can't see Neptune coming before Venus, just personally ^^ What about you guys?
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   28th March 2012, 5:28 pm

I think the moment the witches 5 came into being, cause that's when the threat of someone finding and using the talismans became a real thing. As preventing evil from finding them was her mission, she wouldnt awaken before the possibility became a threat.

Just how V awakened only after the Dark Kingdom started rising to power and the others awakened only when their princess was threatened.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   28th March 2012, 5:29 pm

oh i see! where would you place the creation of the Witches 5?
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   28th March 2012, 5:31 pm

Probably between the Black Moon Clan and the Death Busters. The Outers weren't needed until the Death Busters sprang into action. So why have one them awaken before that? My question is how Michiru awaken as a Solider. She didn't have a talking cat to tell her that she was a solider. Did her transformation rod just appeared out of no where?

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   28th March 2012, 5:34 pm

It's implied that Michiru awoke herself through a series of dreams.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   28th March 2012, 5:35 pm

It is? Is that in the anime or manga?

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   28th March 2012, 5:41 pm

I can't remember now... I think her Stars Poem?

It's almost definite Neptune came before Uranus.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   28th March 2012, 5:50 pm

Well, in the anime she warned Uranus about grabbing the transformation rod.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   28th March 2012, 5:56 pm

good point XD

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   28th March 2012, 6:04 pm

Their awakenings seemed to be more of a spiritual one. Michiru/Neptune seems to have a good grasp on her spiritual or sixth sense, like Rei does. Remember in that episode during the Nehellenia stars arc, Rei comments on how Neptune is way better than her when it comes to their "sixth sense".

The dreams seems to be the most interesting and probable route. It most likely happened during the Black Moon Clan. I think the reason the deathbusters were going unnoticed due to the Senshi having to deal with the Black Moon clan. Rei didn't start getting the evil premonitions and dreams until right when the Deathbusters attacks actually affected them. So its a given that Michiru was probably awakened in the time period leading up to that and it seems Michiru had been awakened for some time when she had met Haruka.

Also considering the anime mucks up the timeline, its pretty hard to judge. But anyway, I would vote Michiru being awakened during the Inners' fight with the Black Moon Clan and Haruka some time after that but before the beginning of the S season.

This is probably one of the things I wish Naoko had cleared up in the manga or at least had some small side story. The manga doesn't cover both Haruka and Michiru's awakening.

Which this is part of the reason why I wish PGSM had been able to continue at least on to the Outer senshi. I could imagine a lot more characterization and even an awakening story being thrown into it. But alas, we will never get that. Sad

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   2nd April 2012, 7:26 pm

I think it was probably before Sailor V. She seems very mature and has a very strong grasp on what she is doing.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   2nd April 2012, 7:34 pm

I think she Awaken after the battle of the dark moon, because her duties was to protect the moon kingdom but wasn't the moon kingdom was getting attacked again(referring to the kingdom in crystal Tokyo)

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   2nd August 2012, 8:29 am

If we're talking about the anime, when Haruka and Michiru met they were still in Junior High School and Michiru had awakened before she met her. So I think it must have been during the Black Moon Clan because they became High School students at the same time as the inners and they were both awakened before they went to High School.

But if we're talking about the manga, it's not so clear when Michiru awakened... But because the Outers' talismans neither powers were needed before the Death Busters, I'd say she awakened during the Black Moon arc, as well as in the anime.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   2nd August 2012, 9:05 am

I'm still thinking Neptune awakened when Neptune needed to awaken. There was no need for Sailor Neptune before the Death Busters (beings from OUTSIDE the solar system, and so under Neptune and Uranus's jurisdiction(manga)) started poking their noses into Pure Heart/Talisman business (of which both Neptune and Uranus were involved intimately, having the talismans they sought (anime)), and so Sailor Neptune and Sailor Uranus awakened only AFTER that thread presented itself. There was no need for them to awaken at all during the Black Moon arc because

A.) Black Moon was from the future

B.) Black Moon was from WITHIN the solar system

So Neptune (and manga!Uranus) probably awakened as soon as Tomoe, Kaolinite, and the Death Busters started messing with the people of Earth by releasing their odd mutations upon the populace. That was their business. They stated so clearly in the manga and hinted at it in the anime - the death busters and anything concerning the Tau Nebula inhabitants were their enemies to face because that was their purpose in the Silver Millennium - to protect the Solar System from OUTSIDE enemies.


So, again, just like how Sailor V only awakened with the threat of their past lives (an evil from within the solar system and a direct threat to her princess), Neptune (and manga!Uranus) only awakened when a threat from outside the system/concerning the talismans (manga/anime) surfaced.

... if she awoke during the Black Moon Clan arc, it'd be like saying Sailor V awoke for spits and giggles.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   2nd August 2012, 10:59 am

Well, its possible that the Deathbusters could have started working during the Black Moon Clan and with Usagi and the others being distracted by the Black moon clan, of course they wouldn't have noticed strange things happening.

So your argument could be invalid, because the deathbusters had most likely started getting things rolling during the Black Moon clan stuff. So therefore Neptune would have awakened during the Black Moon clan arc, but not BECAUSE of the Black Moon Clan arc.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   2nd August 2012, 11:28 am

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I'm still thinking Neptune awakened when Neptune needed to awaken. There was no need for Sailor Neptune before the Death Busters (beings from OUTSIDE the solar system, and so under Neptune and Uranus's jurisdiction(manga)) started poking their noses into Pure Heart/Talisman business (of which both Neptune and Uranus were involved intimately, having the talismans they sought (anime)), and so Sailor Neptune and Sailor Uranus awakened only AFTER that thread presented itself. There was no need for them to awaken at all during the Black Moon arc because

A.) Black Moon was from the future

B.) Black Moon was from WITHIN the solar system

So Neptune (and manga!Uranus) probably awakened as soon as Tomoe, Kaolinite, and the Death Busters started messing with the people of Earth by releasing their odd mutations upon the populace. That was their business. They stated so clearly in the manga and hinted at it in the anime - the death busters and anything concerning the Tau Nebula inhabitants were their enemies to face because that was their purpose in the Silver Millennium - to protect the Solar System from OUTSIDE enemies.


So, again, just like how Sailor V only awakened with the threat of their past lives (an evil from within the solar system and a direct threat to her princess), Neptune (and manga!Uranus) only awakened when a threat from outside the system/concerning the talismans (manga/anime) surfaced.

... if she awoke during the Black Moon Clan arc, it'd be like saying Sailor V awoke for spits and giggles.

I thought the exact same thing Kyralih Very Happy ! The earlier enemies were come from inside the Solar System and Outers' task is to protect the Silver Millennium (and Earth) form threats which come outside it ^___^.

And I agree with you Small Lady ^^!

But maybe Neptune awakened at the time between the last episode of R and first of S ? Since when she awakened, she was still in Junior High School and when the S starts, she's in High School. (I began to think if this is another plot hole in the anime since her age and fuku do not lie O___O)

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   2nd August 2012, 12:30 pm

Didn't Deathbusters (at least in the anime) started operating years before, with possession of Hotaru and founding of Mugen School?

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   2nd August 2012, 12:39 pm

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Didn't Deathbusters (at least in the anime) started operating years before, with possession of Hotaru and founding of Mugen School?

Yes, but actually the outers said that 'We awakened too late when our enemies, the Death Busters were already on Earth and had already proceeded in their plan ' so the Outers weren't in at the beginning of the Death Busters' operation. I'm sorry I don't remember the episode name but I'll post it when I do ^^!

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   2nd August 2012, 8:47 pm

@Moonlight Lady wrote:
Didn't Deathbusters (at least in the anime) started operating years before, with possession of Hotaru and founding of Mugen School?

Yes, so you could assume that maybe this happened even before the Dark Kingdom arc of the anime and its possible Neptune and Uranus weren't awakened until right inbetween the R and S season.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   4th August 2012, 5:01 am

IIRC, Haruka and Michiru chose Mugen School, because it already seemed suspicious - so they already must have been investigating for some time, while they were still in middle school. And given how events in anime are condensed, I rather think it happened during R, not between R and S.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   4th August 2012, 9:52 am

Also, even though they are still in middle school... wasn't Mugen one of the schools that covered all ages? Hence why they could have the same uniform and suddenly be high school aged.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   4th August 2012, 10:36 am

Small Lady wrote:
Also, even though they are still in middle school... wasn't Mugen one of the schools that covered all ages? Hence why they could have the same uniform and suddenly be high school aged.



That's true, but Haruka and Michiru both
had other than Mugen Academy uniforms (I'm talking about the anime) when
they first met, so at that time they must have been still in Junior High (and
one man on the cruise said that she's in Junior High). I'm referring to the
episode 106 - The Bond of Destiny! The Distant Days of Uranus

In the manga though, the inners talked about Haruka and said that she transferred
form Juuban High to Mugen Gakuen but we cannot be sure when they started to
fight because we never actually see what had happened in their past... I hope
the new anime will tell us that...

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   4th August 2012, 3:59 pm

There are so many unanswered questions about those two!:?:

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   4th August 2012, 8:09 pm

Anjyu wrote:
There are so many unanswered questions about those two!:?:

So true XD!

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   5th August 2012, 7:03 am

Tsuki-no-Kagayaki wrote:
Small Lady wrote:
Also, even though they are still in middle school... wasn't Mugen one of the schools that covered all ages? Hence why they could have the same uniform and suddenly be high school aged.


That's true, but Haruka and Michiru both
had other than Mugen Academy uniforms (I'm talking about the anime) when
they first met, so at that time they must have been still in Junior High (and
one man on the cruise said that she's in Junior High). I'm referring to the
episode 106 - The Bond of Destiny! The Distant Days of Uranus

Junior High = middle school ? If so, it would fit.

In ep. 120 it is said that Mugen Academy was founded 3 years before and the fatal accident of professor Tomoe and his dauther - 4 years before.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   5th August 2012, 7:30 am

@Moonlight Lady wrote:
Tsuki-no-Kagayaki wrote:
Small Lady wrote:
Also, even though they are still in middle school... wasn't Mugen one of the schools that covered all ages? Hence why they could have the same uniform and suddenly be high school aged.


That's true, but Haruka and Michiru both
had other than Mugen Academy uniforms (I'm talking about the anime) when
they first met, so at that time they must have been still in Junior High (and
one man on the cruise said that she's in Junior High). I'm referring to the
episode 106 - The Bond of Destiny! The Distant Days of Uranus

Junior High = middle school ? If so, it would fit.

In ep. 120 it is said that Mugen Academy was founded 3 years before and the fatal accident of professor Tomoe and his dauther - 4 years before.

Yup, I'm talking about Middle School^^. I just use the term Junior High School when I'm talking about Sailor Moon because it's the term used in the series.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   5th August 2012, 7:42 am

I've always wanted to role-playing the awakening of Neptune and what she and Uranus did once they awakened their powers.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   5th August 2012, 7:46 am

I'm going to go off of what I know from the anime and from the Sailor V manga. and from what I'm reading from you guys, the timeline in the anime may be a little off.

According to what I learned from the Sailor V manga, Japanese schools do a 6-3-3 format. 6 years of elementary school, 3 years of middle school/junior high and 3 years of high schoool.

Minako was in her first year of junior high when she became Sailor V. So that would be I think grade 7. We know when we met Usagi and the rest they were in grade 8 which is the 2nd year and then they went into grade 9 somewhere in the season and began studying for high school entrance exams so that would place them in the final year of junior high.

Through the anime we learned that Neptune awoke sometime during Junior High and so did Uranus. What we know is when Usagi and the rest of the Inner Senshi first saw Neptune and Uranus, the girls were in high school, placing them a year older than the Inner Senshi.

When Neptune approached Uranus, she seemed as if she had been awakened for at least a few months, enough to get a grasp on what she was doing.

My guess is that all the Sailor Senshi awoke around the same time. All in junior high, with Minako being the first one to awaken. I think it would make sense (at least to me) to have Neptune awaken a little bit before Usagi and have Uranus awaken sometime while the rest of the Inner Senshi are being awoken.

Thoughts? Counter arguments?

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   5th August 2012, 8:00 am

Venus - if you're ever going to do a plot, count me in Very Happy !
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: The Awakening of Neptune   5th August 2012, 8:01 am

We got something similar that never got off the ground in the RP section.

http://www.thegalaxycauldronforums.com/t1134-wistful-solitude-inactive

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