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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   27th August 2012, 5:30 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   28th August 2012, 11:57 am

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The problem with "for fun" theory is that all in all it added to Usagi's stress and discomfort during that season.

That's because when something like that happens to you, it is stressful. It's happened to me before.

For a season to be successful, there need to be a few points of conflict for the protagonist to overcome. The conflicts should include outside and internal conflicts. Seiya's feelings for Usako are both. She has to deal with someone who isn't in the future she taking an interest in her. Some people have to deal with others who want a special relationship with them while they themselves have their own special person. In the end, it only strengthened her relationship with Mamoru. She was tempted but didn't give in.

ITA that probably was the intention - to provide another conflict as trial for heroine to overcome. Only it all makes me feel so sorry for Usagi in that season. She is so lonely and depressed - and Seiya thougthlessly adds to that burden by filling her with guilt and shame, which was really no reason for Usagi to feel. As if he couldn't control his impulses.

However, it's quite unusual to see it written from the perspective of the object of crush - usually the sympathy seems to be on the side of the person with unrequited crush.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   28th August 2012, 3:02 pm

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@Moonlight Lady wrote:

The problem with "for fun" theory is that all in all it added to Usagi's stress and discomfort during that season.

That's because when something like that happens to you, it is stressful. It's happened to me before.

For a season to be successful, there need to be a few points of conflict for the protagonist to overcome. The conflicts should include outside and internal conflicts. Seiya's feelings for Usako are both. She has to deal with someone who isn't in the future she taking an interest in her. Some people have to deal with others who want a special relationship with them while they themselves have their own special person. In the end, it only strengthened her relationship with Mamoru. She was tempted but didn't give in.

ITA that probably was the intention - to provide another conflict as trial for heroine to overcome. Only it all makes me feel so sorry for Usagi in that season. She is so lonely and depressed - and Seiya thougthlessly adds to that burden by filling her with guilt and shame, which was really no reason for Usagi to feel. As if he couldn't control his impulses.

However, it's quite unusual to see it written from the perspective of the object of crush - usually the sympathy seems to be on the side of the person with unrequited crush.

He doesn't thoughtlessly add that burden to her; she did that to herself. She's embarrassed that she thinks of Seiya while she's missing Mamoru. She has feelings for Seiya too. She could have been more assertive with him, then she would not be upset about thinking about him.
Yes, there is a reason for Usagi to feel those feelings. It shows the audience that she is not black and white; that she is human. She has the ability to love other people romantically, and she's embarrassed and scared. It would be so boring for Usa to be oblivious to his feelings; there would be no internal struggle for her and thus no growth.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   28th August 2012, 3:26 pm

I agree. It'd be very boring to see Usagi just only ever having feelings for Mamoru. She's not miss perfect, which she demonstrates several times in other ways. This adds to the fun and of course show her human side. Seiya didn't burden her; it was her feelings, confusion, blah blah that did it. He/she did not hurt Usagi nor was that his/her intention at all. Hence Seiya not forcing him/herself on Usagi. If Seiya did, there would have been forced kisses and everything else. Instead, Seiya understands and backs off when he/she finally understands Usagi and what Usagi feels. And in the end, the friendship they have is just enough.

So don't knock Seiya. He/she is a great character. Much more than you give credit for (due to you being such a hard Usagi x Mamo shipper). Face facts; people are unfortunately able to be interested in more than one person romantically. And since we got to see Usagi have some kind of feelings and to see them interact, that's what makes me feel like Seiya is the better match. Naturally you don't have to agree. But there is so much more to Seiya (and Usagi) than you'll even address and give credit for Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   28th August 2012, 4:02 pm

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"Am I not good enough?"


xD But still...you guys have good points. I think it could have been written better and I felt like that really wasn't supposed to be the main conflict of stars anyway. From what I got, in the manga (which the anime is supposed to take from a bit), is that the Stars arc was abotu Usagi truly having to fight by her self. No one. NO ONE there to help. Literally everyone died in the Stars Arc. So the focus was Usagi being able to believe in her own strength and her friends, regardless if they were there or not. Hence why I'm not the hugest fan of the Stars anime season. While I don't mind them throwing in the Seiya/Usagi dynamic, I'm not a fan and I don't think it should have been the main focus.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   28th August 2012, 4:21 pm

SEIYA IS GOOD ENOUGH!! YOLO!!

Their relationship wasn't a super huge focus for me....but I still ship it Very Happy

I totally like your interpretation of the Stars manga though :O sounds like Naoko was trying to display Usagi's strength.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   28th August 2012, 6:00 pm

Yeah, she was displaying Usa's strength and her ability to over come obstacles even if she may have no chance of winning. That last volume of the manga was so desperate and desolate. Naoko took Usa and put her on a whole new level. It was disappointing because I didn't feel like the anime did that for her character. But that is a discussion for another topic Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   29th August 2012, 6:30 am

I think that in anime in the last season they concentrated more on Usagi's purity, goodness and love for everybody than her strength, as in manga. IMO the main focus of the part pre-battle with Galaxia was not Usagi-Seiya, but the cooperation of Starlights and Solar System Senshi.

It may possible to have romantic feelings for more than one person, but I don't see it's the case with Usagi. I think that both she and Mamoru have known for long time that theirs is the real thing, for ever. Usagi is already past the point of making the final choice. She earlier had other feelings, but now all is clear for her.

Usagi was always open with Seiya about her feelings to Mamoru. It's not her fault he couldn't understand it earlier. He should have never hit on bethrothed girl. But he kept trying - till he proved that he indeed isn't good enough... And yes, he did hurt Usagi in that scene. I don't understand how can she be blamed.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   29th August 2012, 7:07 am

just jumping in but....maybe she's blamed because she, like everyone else, isn't perfect?

she may be marvelously good and kind and caring....but probably one of the biggest examples is the Glass Slipper episode, where Usagi slaps Mamoru for forgetting her birthday, despite the fact she never told him when it was.

i ship Mamoru x Usagi, but i very much enjoy the possibility of Seiya x Usagi. if i recall correctly, there is one point in the manga where Usagi is noticing how much Seiya looks like Mamoru, but is different in many ways. i kind of feel that could be what plants the seed of loving Seiya. think of this as like...a parallel to Inuyasha and Kagome. Inuyasha obviously loves both, right? and not in a friend sense either...XD just a little fuel for the Seiya shippers...

that and it's fun seeing Chibiusa in a starlight-esqe fuku...XD

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   29th August 2012, 10:34 am

In Glass Slippers episode Usagi was definitely in the wrong - even her friens admit it and she understands it and goes to apologise. And Mamoru acted like the precious jewel of manhood he is

Here, however is diffirent - Seiya for the whole time knows about Usagi's feelings and relationship, yet he persists. And he gets applauded for not using violence to kiss her, when Usagi is blamed for not being assertive enough - when she always was completely honest and he wouldn't listen. Which convinces me that their match would be terrible - Seiya needs someone with ability to kick him, when he crosses boundaries - and he does often, see baseball match. (that's why I like Seiya in the episode with sister Angela - she is able to handle him).

And "Am I not good enough?" moment is creepy for one aspect more - it sounds as if it was about being better...

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   29th August 2012, 11:06 am

I'm realizing that you are one of those people that is so stubborn on your stance you refuse to see any other side of the argument, no matter who presents it or what good points are made. We just end up repeating ourselves over and over, going in a vicious, never ending cycle.

People cross boundaries. People sometimes don't understand until later. That's how people are. Seiya isn't creepy, wrong, abusive, or anything else you try to make her out to be. She's a human. It's your stubborn stance that morphs her into this "awful" character. You make her out to be MUCH WORSE than what she actually does and what actually happens.

If you wanna keep going about Mamoru and how perfect he is, I'll start a thread on it and I'm sure that people will flock to it to not only list the good but the bad as well. Why will there be bad? Because Mamoru is flawed too and not perfect. He is human.

So Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   29th August 2012, 12:14 pm

As if there was not enough hate of Mamoru... Why is ok to bash Mamoru, but pointing out Seiya's obviously wrong actions is not ok? And defence of him bugs me, since it means blaming Usagi.

Saying that someone is human doesn't really say much - Galaxia is human too, sometimes people just wipe millions out of existence...

I actually said when I like Seiya, just not with Usagi - and it's not only because of Mamoru; I actually find Usagi and Seiya incompatible.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   29th August 2012, 12:58 pm

No one hates Mamoru. I don't even hate him. My icon was King Endymion before I decided to be Diana. I love him. He's an awesome character.

The problem is, it is like spinning out what Seiya did as if he/she was actually abusive to Usagi when that never happened. Like at all. In any way, shape, or form. o_o

People make mistakes and are flawed. Galaxia's mess up was with absorbing Chaos into her body and it possessed her. She thought she was doing the right thing because she thought she could contain it. She couldn't and it led to the evil Galaxia we saw. That's not exactly the same though because she was possessed and it made her do evil. Seiya didn't do evil. Mamoru didn't do evil. Usagi didn't do evil. They're all just flawed in their own way.

And that's totally fine if you do not like Usagi and Seiya together. That is 100% a-ok. However, it is slightly debatable on if you like Seiya, since you basically called him/her creepy, abusive, pushy, basically everything awful. Razz Yes he/she is pushy and all that, but he/she just didn't understand at the time. Seiya didn't understand Usagi's relationship with Mamoru until later. And how can you expect someone with a serious infatuation (or even love) to understand right away that you're drawn to someone else and you are fiercely dedicated to them? It's a very difficult thing to do. Especially when you think you are right for them. You even fit nicely with them. It clicks, eventually, but not right away. And honestly? I can talk from personal experience on that one. Granted my situation is panning out better (more in the direction I would like it to go), but yeah.

Love is hard. Matters of the heart are hard. It's complicated, difficult, all sorts of stuff that honestly make romance sound difficult, awful, and scary.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   29th August 2012, 3:59 pm

very lovely tuxedo! *clap clap* brilliant! but both of you try to remember, this isn't a "hate mamoru, hate seiya" debate! this is for wether you think one or both would be a good boyfriend/husband for usagi.^^ kay? and no hard feelings! you guys hug and keep debating! thread author rules Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   29th August 2012, 4:05 pm

I don't hate either one of them! Sad but it's kind of not going anywhere since it's just going in circles. I really think I should just be done now for real but keep my eyes on the topic XD

I have no hard feelings for Moonlight Lady! She livens up the debates area if she is interested in the topic! She's just stubborn like a mountain. Razz *huggles Moonlight Lady*

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   30th August 2012, 1:03 pm

I huggle back, as it's a polite converstation among ladies

I'm almost sure I didn't call Seiya abusive, but some of his actions are definitively too pushy. And the argument of not understanding does not convince me - it had to take him about 20 episodes to understand? Probably a few months? All he needed was to look at Usagi to see that it was real deal or to her how she talks about Mamoru. Didn't he see Mamoru's special smile with Usagi, as Fish did?

Not to mention his/her mission - did he ever think of choosing?What would he do if Usagi accepted him?

These are the reasons i can't see him as good boyfriend/husband material, especially for Usagi.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   18th September 2012, 6:23 pm

Oh, Mamoru and Usagi, hands down.

Usagi and Mamoru have been through a lot; and its not just destiny that keeps them together, they love each other a lot. The only reason Usagi ever even came close to being with Seiya (and even then she never really did...it was pretty one sided on Seiya's part) was because she felt neglected by Mamoru. When, in actuality, he was dead.

Now, in the anime, I admit, I like Usagi and Seiya together better, sort of in the same way I shipped Bella and Jacob (Don't judge me. Besides, mostly, I ship jacob being with me^^). But Usagi and Mamoru was all it was ever going to be, and that was obvious. And honestly, they were meant for each other. It's their relationship, they go how they want.

In the manga, I feel like their relationship is a lot better. Not sure exactly what makes it better, but they seem a lot more in tune and a lot more passionate.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   24th September 2012, 5:41 am

Sneaking into this debate...

@Moonlight Lady wrote:
Here, however is diffirent - Seiya for the whole time knows about Usagi's feelings and relationship, yet he persists. And he gets applauded for not using violence to kiss her, when Usagi is blamed for not being assertive enough - when she always was completely honest and he wouldn't listen. Which convinces me that their match would be terrible - Seiya needs someone with ability to kick him, when he crosses boundaries - and he does often, see baseball match. (that's why I like Seiya in the episode with sister Angela - she is able to handle him).
You have to try seeing things more from Seiya's points of view here. Imagine this... you're in love with a girl who you think is absolutely amazing. She's cute, funny and has a beautiful heart. However, she is suffering. You can see it in her all the time. And it's all because her boyfriend who's currently overseas isn't responding to any of her calls or letters. The conclusion Seiya draws from this is a natural one: the guy she's so deeply in love with must be a total jerk who has abandoned her. This is what Seiya believes is true up until the point where we finally find out Mamoru has been dead all along, to which Seiya is one of the first ones shown to be shocked over this, along with Usagi.
And yes, Seiya is pushy, but I've never seen it as a negative sort of pushiness. You bring up the baseball match as a negative example, which is a bit funny because in my mind it's the first positive example that pops up. We all know this episode, Seiya's pushiness results in Usagi having to participate in a baseball game. The end result? She absolutely loves it. She's totally into it, tries her best to win, and does. Her mind isn't in the gloomy state where she's just thinking about Mamoru, but rather being distracted by doing something fun instead.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   24th September 2012, 8:51 am

Very good points, Louchan! Especially the first paragraph!

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   24th September 2012, 9:40 am

Omg thank you, Louchan. That was awesomely said. Way to hit all the nails on the head.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   24th September 2012, 11:53 am

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You have to try seeing things more from Seiya's points of view here. Imagine this... you're in love with a girl who you think is absolutely amazing. She's cute, funny and has a beautiful heart. However, she is suffering. You can see it in her all the time. And it's all because her boyfriend who's currently overseas isn't responding to any of her calls or letters. The conclusion Seiya draws from this is a natural one: the guy she's so deeply in love with must be a total jerk who has abandoned her. This is what Seiya believes is true up until the point where we finally find out Mamoru has been dead all along, to which Seiya is one of the first ones shown to be shocked over this, along with Usagi.
Seiya believes in what is comfortable for him. Usagi's friends immediately knew something must have happened to Mamoru (and I can't believe the general audience could believe in Mamoru abandoning Usagi as natural conclusion).

I don't think that Seiya was in love with Usagi at this point (and if he was, it would paint him in very bad light).

@Louchan wrote:
And yes, Seiya is pushy, but I've never seen it as a negative sort of pushiness. You bring up the baseball match as a negative example, which is a bit funny because in my mind it's the first positive example that pops up. We all know this episode, Seiya's pushiness results in Usagi having to participate in a baseball game. The end result? She absolutely loves it. She's totally into it, tries her best to win, and does. Her mind isn't in the gloomy state where she's just thinking about Mamoru, but rather being distracted by doing something fun instead.

She doesn't so much love it and is into it, as she wants to win, because she feels she owes it to Seiya for his effort.

And pushiness is negative, especially in case with somebody as delicate as Usagi. Though it must be noticed that she voiced her objection loudly, explicitly and unambigously here and Seiya just didn't care. So his pushiness must be of special level. Entlisting somebody without her knowledge or consent, against objections is wrong and means lack of respect.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   24th September 2012, 1:04 pm

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You have to try seeing things more from Seiya's points of view here. Imagine this... you're in love with a girl who you think is absolutely amazing. She's cute, funny and has a beautiful heart. However, she is suffering. You can see it in her all the time. And it's all because her boyfriend who's currently overseas isn't responding to any of her calls or letters. The conclusion Seiya draws from this is a natural one: the guy she's so deeply in love with must be a total jerk who has abandoned her. This is what Seiya believes is true up until the point where we finally find out Mamoru has been dead all along, to which Seiya is one of the first ones shown to be shocked over this, along with Usagi.
Seiya believes in what is comfortable for him. Usagi's friends immediately knew something must have happened to Mamoru (and I can't believe the general audience could believe in Mamoru abandoning Usagi as natural conclusion).

I don't think that Seiya was in love with Usagi at this point (and if he was, it would paint him in very bad light).

@Louchan wrote:
And yes, Seiya is pushy, but I've never seen it as a negative sort of pushiness. You bring up the baseball match as a negative example, which is a bit funny because in my mind it's the first positive example that pops up. We all know this episode, Seiya's pushiness results in Usagi having to participate in a baseball game. The end result? She absolutely loves it. She's totally into it, tries her best to win, and does. Her mind isn't in the gloomy state where she's just thinking about Mamoru, but rather being distracted by doing something fun instead.

She doesn't so much love it and is into it, as she wants to win, because she feels she owes it to Seiya for his effort.

And pushiness is negative, especially in case with somebody as delicate as Usagi. Though it must be noticed that she voiced her objection loudly, explicitly and unambigously here and Seiya just didn't care. So his pushiness must be of special level. Entlisting somebody without her knowledge or consent, against objections is wrong and means lack of respect.

Obviously the general audience knew Mamoru was like dead. Especially when we watched his plane explode o_o but SEIYA does NOT know that. So NATURALLY since she has feelings for Usagi, thinks that Usagi's boyfriend is neglecting her and ignoring her. That's natural when Seiya has no idea. She never even meets Mamoru until the very end. Second, the senshi know something is going on with Mamoru, but they are unsure of what. The senshi are more weary though of Seiya and the other Starlights because they're "intruders" from another galaxy. They don't know their true motives so they're like "hey, stay away from our princess". Natural, natural, natural.

Second, Usagi had multiple reasons as to why she wanted to win. Seiya was pushy because she really wanted Usagi to try hard. Especially for their relationship; the conditions were, if you don't remember, that if they lost, Seiya couldn't talk to Usagi anymore. Couldn't do crap with her. So naturally because Seiya is so pulled to Usagi, would want to win. Just like, in case you forgot this too, Usagi is pulled to Seiya. When the outers really put their foot down and forbid her from doing anything from Seiya, she was basically heartbroken. First something was up with Mamoru and he wasn't keeping in touch, then she basically temporarily lost a good friend. So, yeah. These actions that they had were understandable. And Usagi did have fun in the end. She was distracted from her heartache and was enjoying herself and the game. It's not like she stood around during the game and felt miserable and was like "omg why am I doing this? This sucks. It's horrible." she really, really tried. And they won. Which made both her and Seiya happy. Seiya saw the motivation in her. Sometimes you just gotta tap in and make those that seem really unmotivated, well, motivated. Nothing wrong with that.

You have to look at all the details, not just "oh Seiya's being an ass and forcing Usagi to do all this stuff that makes her unhappy". No. That's not exactly what was going on. Look at the deeper layers of what was happening. Look at it from new angles and not just the "mean jerk" angles you have on Seiya. Look at it from a more correct observation: Seiya had no idea who Mamoru was and just figured Mamoru was ignoring Usagi like a jerk. And since Seiya was infatuated with Usagi, wanted to be with her because she figured she would be better for her; wouldn't ignore her, wouldn't miss treat her, etc. Natural enough. But, Seiya did eventually learn the truth, just like Usagi learned the truth in the end.

Also, Seiya respects Usagi. And she especially respects her relationship with Mamoru. Once she found out the truth, she was like "ah. Okay. This could never be with her and I, because she has him and is more than happy to be with him. My love for her will always be unrequited. Which, is okay because she's happy. And I'll be happy with it as long as he never leaves her side again." or, did you forget that happened basically at the end of the series?

Seiya isn't a big, pushy jerk. But you need to understand certain perspectives and look from different angles. As an audience watching the show, we obviously know what happened. But Seiya, Usagi, the other senshi, had zero idea as to what happened with Mamoru.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   24th September 2012, 1:49 pm

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Seiya believes in what is comfortable for him. Usagi's friends immediately knew something must have happened to Mamoru (and I can't believe the general audience could believe in Mamoru abandoning Usagi as natural conclusion).
No, I think you misunderstand... we, the general audience, will of course not believe that Mamoru has abandoned Usagi. And the inner senshi would of course not think that either, although they were completely unaware that Usagi hadn't gotten any replies from him. But that's because we and they know Mamoru. We know what kind of person he is and that he wouldn't do that. Seiya, however, did not. All she knew about Mamoru was that he was some guy who had left his girlfriend behind to go studying abroad and was now neither talking or writing to her. What I'm saying is that I believe that pretty much anyone who is in Seiya's situation would think what she did, which is that Mamoru must have abandoned Usagi. I know I would have.

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I don't think that Seiya was in love with Usagi at this point (and if he was, it would paint him in very bad light).
Which point do you mean? And why would this paint her in a bad light?

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She doesn't so much love it and is into it, as she wants to win, because she feels she owes it to Seiya for his effort.
There's nothing in this episode that indicates she felt unhappy while playing that match. In fact, during a break during the game she downright contradicts your claim by saying she wants to win, not only for Seiya's sake, but for her own sake as well.


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And pushiness is negative, especially in case with somebody as delicate as Usagi. Though it must be noticed that she voiced her objection loudly, explicitly and unambigously here and Seiya just didn't care. So his pushiness must be of special level. Entlisting somebody without her knowledge or consent, against objections is wrong and means lack of respect.
I think you're underestimating Usagi. She isn't made out of glass and Seiya knew that, that's why she pushed her about it. Not all pushiness is bad and Seiya possesses the good kind of it, which is the kind that brings out the best in people. I don't believe Seiya would push Usagi to do anything if she didn't believe she could do it. And you're making it sound like the anime was portraying Usagi as seriously suffering during their training. Her protesting was very comedic, but she still showed a lot of determination while training despite it. And she could definitely have refused to do it, which Rei pointed out, but she choose not to. Seiya knew she could do it, knew she could overcome herself, and in the end she did it gallantly. And like I said, I personally believed she loved it.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   24th September 2012, 2:22 pm

just a little fuel and fun, i decided to post some pictures of our couples. since Seiya has two forms, there will also be 2 pictures of Mamo and Usa. enjoy.


MAMO AND USA FIRST!!








NOW SEIYA AND USA






AND A NICE IN BETWEEN WITH NO CHOOSING!




AND NOW! just to show Usagi isn't all THAT important.^^




AND FINALLY! Chibiusa as Seiya's daughter spam attack!












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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   24th September 2012, 3:10 pm

@Crystalsetsuna wrote:
just a little fuel and fun, i decided to post some pictures of our couples. since Seiya has two forms, there will also be 2 pictures of Mamo and Usa. enjoy.


MAMO AND USA FIRST!!



Dat ass. For both XD

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I've seen this picture before and I love it. Because 1) it's pretty and 2) because it depicts Seiya in her true form: a woman.


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AND NOW! just to show Usagi isn't all THAT important.^^


Wtf? XDD crackship! lol


And then all those Usagi and Seiya child pics...lol

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   24th September 2012, 3:41 pm

yeah. just to show how beautiful their kids could be! and how bad-ass chibiusa could look with Seiya as her father.

i also like the picture of Female!Seiya. just cause it's a nice change, especially from the usual fairy tale romance role Seiya could play in his male form.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   24th September 2012, 3:56 pm

Just one thing... How can Seiya father if she's initially a female? I know that she takes the disguise in the anime of a man, but I don't think it would change her anatomy like that (as in, how her body works). XD

I always wonder why everyone when they ship Seiya and Usagi look at Seiya as a man when, well, she's not a man. Even moreso in the manga, from what I know of, Seiya only dresses as a man, she still has a female body. So...

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   24th September 2012, 4:02 pm

Frankly, the world needs more Female-Seiya x Usagi fanart and fanfics. I mean, I love all fanart of them, but... Seiya as a woman just looks better to me, it looks more right. Because in the end, anime or manga, she truly is a woman.

... And oh god, Lady Tuxedo... I didn't notice those butts until you pointed it out and now I can never unsee it!

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   24th September 2012, 4:29 pm

I'm spamming one Female-Seiya x Usagi pic here:

http://richie-on-a-mission.deviantart.com/art/Farewell-Close-Up-271250306?q=favby%3Atsuki-no-kagayaki%2F50549482&qo=4

And you can see the full size pic when you follow the link below the description. Won't post here since we have our rates even though I don't see anything which should be censored in this pic XD

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Anime Mamoru or Seiya?   24th September 2012, 7:51 pm

in the manga Lady Tux, Seiya is indeed a female masquerading as a man. however in the anime....she becomes truely male.





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