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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   2nd July 2012, 9:48 pm

Okay wait a minute.

If Queen Serenity could have been from elsewhere, how did she get the moon to rule? And then wouldn't that mean her people there aren't really from the moon or...? Therefore saying *Queen Serenity's* people had long lifespans, not moon people...though I suppose if they had been there long enough, eventually they'd become moon people...though decedents of people from Queen Serenity's original home.

But even still, if she came from elsewhere, how did she acquire the moon?

(should I just change this to Serenity's family rather than just her dad? XD)

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   2nd July 2012, 9:56 pm

^^° my thoughts were that she just took it. The moon star seed melted with her own and became one. With its power ot created an articlficial dome on the moon where life was possible, and the people of the moon were volunteers from earth. Their lifespans were increased due to proximithto the crystal.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   2nd July 2012, 10:04 pm

I would totally be one of those volunteers. *nods*

So do they really share the same star seed or did you make that up? XD man some of this stuff is so good it gets hard to separate what's canon and what's not.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   2nd July 2012, 10:13 pm

Well its assumed so because the silver crystal is usagi's star seed, thus princess serenity's starseed, Anne queen serenity is able to use it, which hints that it is her star seed, too. And that it exists outside of them when other star seeds are within just makes me believe even further that it is shared between them.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   2nd July 2012, 10:20 pm

That's a good point then. Definitely.

But I'm still wondering about any other ideas on Usagi's father, aside from the idea that he's dead and been dead. Like who was he, where was he from, what happened to him, etc. things like that. XD I feel like that's one of the bigger head-scratchers of the series.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   3rd July 2012, 6:22 am

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Or all of her grandparents were long past dead, having died on Serenity's planet when it exploded.

Are you saying she lived elsewhere than the moon?

Attention ladies and gentleman.... Serenity is from planet X.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   3rd July 2012, 6:53 am

It's possible that Serenity father was probably from the sun or the earth, but since there are a sun god and a moon god (from roman mythological ). he would be from the sun and traveled to the moon at some point, and died at Serenity birth.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   3rd July 2012, 7:08 am

Maybe he was from the Earth and something happened, which is why the moon looks over the earth.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   3rd July 2012, 7:31 am

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Or all of her grandparents were long past dead, having died on Serenity's planet when it exploded.

Are you saying she lived elsewhere than the moon?

Attention ladies and gentleman.... Serenity is from planet X.

Lol, Saturn, yeah, been saying it XD

._. but not "planet X"

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I think her father has been mentioned in other theories on here, but usually about Queen Serenity or the Silver Crystal.

As for my opinion... ((*coughcough* jeez, it's like I have a fanfic about all my headcanons)) I think her father is from another system, just as it is hinted Queen Serenity is from another system. Smile I think they fell in love, she became pregnant just before something terrible happened, and Serenity had to run away. She made a deal at the Galaxy Cauldron so that her daughter could share her starseed, and settled on the Moon.

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Lol, read the fanfic and find out? XD

The Quick of it:

Nehelenia hinted in SuperS that she followed Serenity to this system - they were both 'travelers' [...]

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   3rd July 2012, 11:33 am

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Maybe he was from the Earth and something happened, which is why the moon looks over the earth.

I like this idea. Someone could do an awesome fanfic on it! Smile I would but I keep hitting writers block (though I could use the practice). I have three stories going I need to keep going with, two of them being Sailor Moon.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   3rd July 2012, 12:06 pm

I like the idea of him being from the sun. Then it's a star and no one can live on a star. -_- But being from the sun just sounds cooler.

Isn't there a theory that Serenity has no father? That her mother was able to have a daughter without a man?

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   3rd July 2012, 12:20 pm

Saturn had suggested it a little earlier in the board and i'd heard it before, but I'm just not fond of the immaculate conception idea, lol.

((As for the Sun, I started a fic (Tellus&Sol) that involved the Prince of the Sun, Sol, who had powers like a senshi. He would travel to the planets in the Solar System and help the senshi there defeat splinters of Chaos; he fostered on Venus and always had his guardian, Helios of the planet Hippos, by his side. The Sun Kingdom was actually located in a side dimension that people under the protection of the Sun could enter, and was called (um, I forget, but it was renamed Elysion later. Famiriar? ^.~). I had Sol fall in love with the senshi of Earth (Sailor Tellus) and on their death, he promised the protection of the sun to forever fall with the planet Earth. Their sailor crystals joined, which would explain why Mamoru, the prince of Earth, was both protector and prince of Earth, but was protected by the Sun and had Helios as a guardian. And why the Golden crystal is golden and (almost) as powerful as the Silver Crystal. ((... cause i had the Silver Crystal the sailor crystal of the moon joined with the crystal of the star Theia, which was Serenity's guardian celestial body on her old home on Okeanos. ... Mythology, I've got it going on.)) And then hundreds of years later Serenity appeared on the Moon and started teh Silver Millennium.))

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   3rd July 2012, 12:26 pm

I like that idea Uranus! I'm not fond of the idea of Serenity not having a father either like how I'm not fond that moon decedents can only have one child and it has to be a girl.

Saturn mentioned it? I must have overlooked it.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   3rd July 2012, 12:28 pm

I can understand why they could only have one though; they stop growing at age 22, right after Usagi has had Chibi-Usa. If they cannot grow or age or develop further, another pregnancy might be impossible for them as it involves so many different growth periods and changes within the mother.

:/ Which is super sad because in Stars when they find Chibi Chibi, Usagi was talking about how she wanted a little Mamoru. Sad

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   3rd July 2012, 12:31 pm

I know Sad I always want a little Mamoru. We could of had a little tux running around.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   3rd July 2012, 12:39 pm

I figure the only child having to be a daughter represents that the females are the dominant leaders/protectors in this series (the men take more of a backseat). I'd almost say what if the moon decedents had a boy first, but then I figure it's probably coded into their genes to only produce females at that rate. But that would be interesting too, if Usagi could be a mother to more than one child, like one boy and one girl (that way she can have her "little Mamoru" lol).

Naoko broke her own rule with her parallel story with Kousagi too, so...

The more I think about it, especially like this, I feel like Serenity and the moon decedents are all women and they have to go off to like Earth during a certain time to couple up with men for reproduction purposes. Like in Wonder Woman XD Unless of course it's only the moon royalty that can only have one child and it's a daughter.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   3rd July 2012, 12:49 pm

Well they could still have a woman reign over earth. >.> They could go with the whole first born rules over thing and the first born could always be a girl.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   3rd July 2012, 8:55 pm

I'd like to think that Serenity had a father, and I think maybe he was the one that had some issues with the Earth, so it was banned by his doing.

OR OR, Queen Serenity banned it herself, due to the "King's" death caused by a war, or he was captured, or corrupted. I mean it's not that far-fetched. It seems like most of the guys of the series are corrupted somehow.

And maybe this is going to sound REALLY bad, so I hope it doesn't but I think it's a good thing that Moon females only have one child. I'm not saying it's the BEST situation but it already seems like Chibiusa has some major issues of her own and needs some attention. Plus I always thought it was because the female heir to the throne has the MOST importance since she'll be saying the Earth and the universe. Would that make the next children....kind of resentful?

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   3rd July 2012, 9:18 pm

I always wondered why Chibiusa had issues though. I always figured she was a typical brat, like most young children are. It didn't look at all like her parents were ever too busy for her or neglected her or anything like that.

But yeah you have good reasoning there in why there's only one child. If they had anymore, the other children could become resentful and that would make them more prone to being corrupt/evil and causing problems and blah blah blah. Plus, like I said, on the whole male thing, the men of the series (aside from the bad guys) seem to take a backseat when it comes to being protectors/rulers. I mean yeah you have King Endymion and all that in the future by Usagi's side, but she's the one truly in charge and has all the power lol

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   3rd July 2012, 9:44 pm

I think that Chibiusa was really lonely which stemmed from her occasional brattiness and depressed feelings. That's why Neo-Queen sent her to the past in order for her to train, knowing that she would meet Hotaru in the process.

Plus, I think that Chibiusa may have felt lonely because of her aging. She was always around "adults" so it made her feel insignificant as a child.

I mean look at Princess Serenity when she grew up. She aged with her guardians.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   3rd July 2012, 9:49 pm

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Lol, read the fanfic and find out? XD

The Quick of it:

Nehelenia hinted in SuperS that she followed Serenity to this system - they were both 'travelers'

The Cosmos Guardian shows that Queen Serenity came to the cauldron with a tiny shell that had a shine similar to Usagi's; I took this to mean that it was the embryo/fetus within Queen Serenity, the proto-Princess Serenity, just because a shell is a being without a star seed, and star seeds could enter a being at any time before or at birth (imo); and I proposed that some sort of deal was made because why else would two beings (Queen Serenity and Princess Serenity) share a Star Seed?


Hmm What if Queen Serenity was visiting another system for a while and didn't realize that Nehelenia was following her back to the moon kingdom. Nehelenia could have been young and followed her out of envy. Queen Serenity might have gone to the Galaxy Cauldron because maybe she felt like her daughter was dieing from so much travel and stress. That she begged the Cauldron Guardian to help her and that is how they share star seeds. That could also by where Nehelenia met Chaos and he soon became one with her. Only to show up when she was a bit older.


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Well its assumed so because the silver crystal is usagi's star seed, thus princess serenity's starseed, Anne queen serenity is able to use it, which hints that it is her star seed, too. And that it exists outside of them when other star seeds are within just makes me believe even further that it is shared between them.

However if we think of terms on the crystal being only princess Serenity's. Maybe Queen Serenity was aloud to tap into her daughters powers. The Cauldron Guardian could have told Q.S. that her child is what will save the balance of this system and Q.S. could have begged the C.G. to be aloud access until Serenity is ready to wield it.


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I can understand why they could only have one though; they stop growing at age 22, right after Usagi has had Chibi-Usa. If they cannot grow or age or develop further, another pregnancy might be impossible for them as it involves so many different growth periods and changes within the mother.

:/ Which is super sad because in Stars when they find Chibi Chibi, Usagi was talking about how she wanted a little Mamoru. Sad

I have to say Uranus, I love your thinking in all this. You have brought up very good points. Smile
This explanation makes total sense. It does through people off however with the whole "kousagi" alternate universe though. But lets not get into that lol

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   4th July 2012, 8:27 am

maybe her father was killed in the war on earth or he and the queen got a divorce :lolz: . or She doesn't really has a father and serenity was born when the sliver crystal was born.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   4th July 2012, 10:09 am

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This explanation makes total sense. It does through people off however with the whole "kousagi" alternate universe though. But lets not get into that lol

I Uranus lol

Aww! I <3 you, too, Shizuka! Very Happy

But the Kousagi thing was said to completely be an alternative universe, so I don't think it should be taken into account at all when talking about main series canon. *nodnod*

XD Have you read "Serenity's Story?"

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   4th July 2012, 10:29 am

i always kinda understood the "one child" thing was to prevent fighting over powers and the throne. like one story i read was that Nehelenia and Queen Serenity were twin sisters. and of course, Nehelenia was jealous because her sister ruled the light and blah blah..and yeah.

of course, that never stops me from creating AU's where Usagi has as many child as possible..XD

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   4th July 2012, 10:37 am

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Aww! I <3 you, too, Shizuka! Very Happy

But the Kousagi thing was said to completely be an alternative universe, so I don't think it should be taken into account at all when talking about main series canon. *nodnod*

XD Have you read "Serenity's Story?"

That's why I said lets not get into that Very Happy lol silly

Which Serenity's Story?


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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   4th July 2012, 10:55 am

^^' my fanfiction called "Serenity's Story"; it incorporates all the ideas I've spoken about on this topic. ^^' It's not quite finished, but once I get back into it ((I'm at a gypsy phase. :/)) I'll have like 2 or 3 chapters to go

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   18th July 2012, 3:52 am

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Lol, read the fanfic and find out? XD

The Quick of it:

Nehelenia hinted in SuperS that she followed Serenity to this system - they were both 'travelers'

The Cosmos Guardian shows that Queen Serenity came to the cauldron with a tiny shell that had a shine similar to Usagi's; I took this to mean that it was the embryo/fetus within Queen Serenity, the proto-Princess Serenity, just because a shell is a being without a star seed, and star seeds could enter a being at any time before or at birth (imo); and I proposed that some sort of deal was made because why else would two beings (Queen Serenity and Princess Serenity) share a Star Seed?

To compensate for one sailor crystal belonging to two senshi, I theorized that the cauldron allowed Serenity to activate a dormant Sailor Crystal within a dead planet (the moon in this case), and so the Silver Crystal has the power of two celestial bodies, which would explain why it is so powerful. ((I think I made a theory board about teh power of the silver crystal where I spewed this, lol XD; that board directly turned into that fanfic)).

I think that Nehelenia's mention of Queen Serenity also being from another galaxy is pertaining to the fact that Queen Serenity is from the galaxy cauldron just like she is. In the manga Nehelenia is an incarnation of Chaos and Chaos is from the cauldron just like everyone else (I seem to remember hearing somewhere that Chaos is the seed who chose not to become a star). I figured that all stars and planets and heavenly bodies traveled from the cauldron to where they permanently rest. I also believe that Queen Serenity's visit to the cauldron to get Usagi's starseed was more of a spiritual visit than a physical one... Perhaps, being that Guardian Cosmos is Cauldron's Guardian, she knows/sees when new stars are born, and to whom, sort of like the Fates, or Naoko's answer to the stork. She probably will know all about Usagi's "visit" to collect Chibiusa's seed.
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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   24th July 2012, 9:03 pm

EDIT: Omg I'm sooooo sorry this is so long guys..!! X'D <33

I really like Sailor Uranus' statement, as it reminds me or what you see of Princess Serenity in the Anime; which is close to nothing and still being such a child (learning, finding her first love, etc). So maybe she was born without a Star Seed and explains why she would share with her mother and though she is 'human', because of this she grows at a much slower rate and also why she couldn't be Sailor Moon while the Inners (and Pluto; also, most likely, the other Outters) where able to be Senshi to protect her.
So when Queen Serenity sends Princess Serenity to Earth to be reborn and giving her the Sliver Crystal, I see this as a way to give her a real life but also a way to protect herself. (Also why Usagi would later give her own life away to be Sailor Moon while her friends standed normal girls; though because of their desnity they where able to become Senshi again later to protect their Princess.)

Also like the thought of the Moon being dead before Queen Serenity came, which would explain why she sees herself as the goddess of the moon and why Earth wouldn't know of the Moon Kingdom before Princess Serenity got caught seeking around on Earth to see the Prince but also look to the moon for power.

& oooo, what thewhitemoonfamily said would be sooo creepy and I guess, in a way, why he would always be after the Silver Crystal. O.o Though end in, wouldn't work
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As Sailor Saturn said too, I think it would be AWESOME if she was from Planet X (aka Eris/Xena) though I don't think that would be far enough? (Going by Nehellenia's statement of them both being from very far away.)

Then addressing the Sun thing ((WHY am I trying to look at ever little thing? X'D))
I think that would be cool too but like said, can't like on the Sun or you'd die. Very Happy Haha. But maybe he was born on Earth but with the Sun's Crystal? Maybe he was related to the Earth Royal's though? Then that would make Princess/Prince inscit. XD Though that could also explain the "you shouldn't go to Earth" blah, blah. It was a sercet or something. I don't know. >.<' lol
Which would also explain the Helios being of the sun but under/with the Earth's rule? Also though, showing he choose a life of piece as a Guardian/High Priest. So maybe the Shitennou where of the sun too? Maybe explaining how they where able to tell Mamoru how to kill Queen Metalia (evil entity from the Sun).
(Manga and though they where dead.)
Also like Uranus' little fanfic idea. *w* lol

About the only having one baby thing; would that also mean no more periods? <3 Lol.
But on a serious note, I do feel bad for Usagi because she wants more than one child but can only have one. Which I think is also why Naoko made the short story with Kousagi because it's like Usagi didn't take her place as Queen and as such she got a totally different life.
And as Lady Tuxedo stated; I guess that would also be a big reason why people always see Chibi Usa has having many, many kids. .__.' Though I also really, really like on dA's idea of Chibi Usa having a boy (Sol) because she is with Heilos which goes back to the Sun/Earth statements apove. Also showing why the Earth had the Prince and then the Shitennou.

I really like LadyShizuka's comments too. XD

Also Crystalsetsuna's comment about Queen Serenity and Nehelenia being sisters.
I think that could also explain a lot too (and even from above stuff; why Queen Serenity would live for the moon, Nehelenia following, etc.)

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Omg so much but now time for my OWN thoughts. x__x lol

As for Anime!Nehelenia being "the queen of an ancient kingdom on an asteriod." While Manga!Nehelenia was "like the dark mirror image of Queen Serenity, the self-styled 'queen' of the dark center of the moon who had existed since the Silver Millennim."
Which reminds me of 'The Prince of Egypt' movie but maybe it was the other way; Nehelenia was thought dead and later found by someone on the moon who didn't like the way the Moon Kingdom was running thing.

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Now how this ties into the family thing. XD

In my fanfic for my Sailor Iris. Her mother Nokomis (http://fav.me/d4m68ju) was a widow from the Asteriod Iris who fell in love with the Moon King. Well Iris actually has a older sister (Arke), she has the power while her sister doesn't, so maybe it was her who turned Nehelenia over (have never thought about this before but it would work). So Nokomis had Serenity, explain why she doesn't have a moon symbol on her 24/7 (because it is shown her having one shortly while using the power of the Silver Crystal).
So then I had Nokomis split her own crystal, so the Inner and Outter's good have their own children too.

Though now that I'm going back to it and reading, trying to find the stuff on Princess Serenity's father, I can't find it. X'D''' I'm such a dummy, ugh. Haha.
I can't even rememeber what I had. Haha. But here's Iris' story as of the latest write up, if you want to read~ http://fav.me/d4shwql (:

So yeah. Even though that doesn't really make sense and I actually need to write stuff all down/much better, I hope it helped kinda. >.<'
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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   25th February 2013, 8:22 am

These theories are so good! But I do think maybe Serenity's father was from the Sun because I remember in the manga Queen Serenity said something with " Father Sun " in one of the first volumes. I think it is when they travelled to the moon. When she said that I thought about that her father may come from the Sun.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Serenity's family?   25th February 2013, 8:57 am

@MoonieMeManga wrote:
These theories are so good! But I do think maybe Serenity's father was from the Sun because I remember in the manga Queen Serenity said something with " Father Sun " in one of the first volumes. I think it is when they travelled to the moon. When she said that I thought about that her father may come from the Sun.

Where was that mentioned? As far as I know, P. Serenity has no father that is known and the same goes for the other Sailor senshi with the exception of Pluto, who's the only other person to have a parent mentioned (Chronos being her father).

Personally, I don't think her father is from the sun or none of that, mostly because in my books, the Sun is mentioned to be the guardian star of earth/ the prince.

Also I think Helios, by virtue of his name alone, is a representation of the Sun.

I'm also a fan of the theory that Queen Serenity and Queen Nehellenia aren't native to the Solar system but the Sailor senshi's people are (and maybe them too.).


-other thought- With Chibiusa, it seems her condition is actually surprising to everyone with the way King Endymion told them. Her aging and show of power seems to be a result of Endymion and Serenity's genetics. (Which is weird, considering she was reborn as an earthling and there shouldn't have been any problems with her growth at all. Does the use of the Silver Crystal and being Sailor Moon with all that magic genetically change the user?)

There's a lot of interesting tidbits in the Serenitys in a sense of - when do they become mature? For Q. Serenity it was 18 and she stopped growing older. (also the fairywings are not part of her or part of her.) For NQ. Serenity we're told 22. So what would it be for Chibiusa?
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