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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   2nd August 2012, 11:49 pm

Hooray for pushing her at least to do more because we have more to love? XD and for probably the fan base hoping/pushing for a revival in 2013. Yay! lol

But then Toei was obviously impatient and just probably used like spark notes to crank out the anime and yeah. That's the impression I got at least. They didn't necessarily wait to see what Naoko came up with to incorporate it into the anime.

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   3rd August 2012, 1:17 am

Whoa O___O reading all your post definitely took time guys XD! Sorry I cannot answer everybody separately but I try to write my thoughts now.

innocentvenus, Yamichan, Small Lady and Lady Tux; I couldn't agree more with you. Anime fandom has changed (way too much) from what it was earlier. It has become a little bit creepy at some parts O___O. And major of the kids I see nowadays are very rude and do not respect their elders at all and how their parents raise them is what makes them like they are-__-.

And the 'why isn't this on 1080p?´complaining among the 'spoiled' fans, my gosh it pisses me so much. It doesn't make the series any better if it's 1080.

And Lady Tux, I think Toei was impatient and if you look the oldest pictures of SM manga, you see that Toei and Bandai really made Naoko changing their outfits so that the series could sell better (?) so I think it's no wonder if they rushed the story.

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   3rd August 2012, 5:36 am

Actually, she changed up the sailor fuku design because it needed to be simpler for the animation. It was in some of her notes in some of the original release manga when she showed off the original design. Animating all of those small details, especially back then before everythign went digital, takes an extra long time (and as you noticed, the animation was a bit cheaper looking in the older series compared to the later series just cause of budget and thigns like that).

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   3rd August 2012, 6:22 am

Oh wow this topic went off topic. O.O

Yeah a lot animes back in the day were drawn cheap like because of budget. You can tell that in older episodes of 90s cartoons as well. Maybe the new Sailor Moon anime will have a bigger budget and we'll get to see the pretty details in the fukus from the first arc of the manga.

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   3rd August 2012, 7:51 am

Yeah, that's one major reason for the fukus to be changed. But I think they made the animation pretty well. I won't say anything else or otherwise this topic will go even more off topic XD

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   3rd August 2012, 9:12 am

But I rather like the original fuku! Especially Mercury's!

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   3rd August 2012, 9:36 am

Mercury's original fuku would be awesome Very Happy ! But somehow I prefer Jupiter's changed fuku over the original one...

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   3rd August 2012, 10:56 am

Will they keep the random bloomer shots in the reboot? And speaking of 1080p, does anyone remember those old Realplayer VKLL fansubs of Sailor Stars?
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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   3rd August 2012, 12:49 pm

I have no idea. And yes, I remember VKLL's fansubs^^! The notes he made were awesome. (And I'm off topic again *____*)

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   3rd August 2012, 2:15 pm

wow a new anime bashing-thread.

oh yeah "new" anime with deep and complex storys like Steins;Gate & Higurashi are sooo crappy and clischee-filler anime from the 90's like DBZ are better *ironie* seriously are you kidding me? the only good thing from the 90's are anime like Neon Genesis Evangelion & Ghost in the shell.
oh and i told you already that i like Sailor Moon for nostalgic resaons, but i didnt say its such a quality show o.O

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   3rd August 2012, 3:34 pm

I kinda just stopped paying attention to anime and manga, so I have no idea what the quality of new anime/manga is currently. That kind of habit is expensive, unless you want to read free scanlations online. I try not to, because I'd rather support the publisher, but I guess I'm not supporting them if I stopped reading altogether If anything, I'm more disappointed with American cartoons.

I do have Ghost in the Shell on Netflix, but I haven't had the time to watch it yet. Of course, that isn't new, like mentioned above. I never joined the anime/manga fan community, especially not at school. *Shrugs* Never seemed like my kind of thing. I do think in general that my taste in anime/manga is maturing. I loved a lot of filler anime when I was younger. I still have a fondness for filler anime, but now I definitely enjoy anime and manga with a more complex storyline. However, I'm always a sucker for action and adventure.

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   3rd August 2012, 7:06 pm

I will be honest, I have not watched anime passionately for some time now, but I do not think it is because of the quality of anime today, just a personal preference for me. First, the genre that I like is rarely made into anime and secondly, I prefer the artistry of manga over anime.

That being said, there are several new anime that I really like and mean to finish.

- Sakamichi no Apollon has a beautiful art style and music and I hope to get to this one soon.

- Tsuritama: very sweet and refreshing art and enjoyable in general.

- Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei: love this one. Ridiculously morbid plotline that it is comical, art like manga and a real trip for the eyes.

- Kukoro no Basuke: have not watched it but my friends are OBSESSED with it.


I know that's only four but as I said, not really into anime in general so much now. Razz There is one other that I just cannot remember the name of though! Ooh, frustrating.

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   3rd August 2012, 9:23 pm

The other reason why I probably don't watch anime really anymore is because of my personal life. Doing different things now and whatnot. Don't really have time necessarily to look into new anime and all that.

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   4th August 2012, 1:21 am

I think simply watching too much of it at once can also cause a person to get burned out on it which is why I always try to keep a healthy balance with other hobbies.
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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   4th August 2012, 7:50 am

@Neon Genesis wrote:
I think simply watching too much of it at once can also cause a person to get burned out on it which is why I always try to keep a healthy balance with other hobbies.
Hehe. Very true. I always tend to do that though, both with anime and manga -- read/watch it obsessively then go on a hiatus as I drift to other interests and then I realize that I am having animanga withdrawals. Razz It's fun that way. Keeps it exciting.

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   4th August 2012, 10:00 am

Sorry I'm late guys Razz

I always think about this Yami! Not just with anime but with everything. Like Spongebob, hahah. The new episodes seem so stupid to me and I wonder if they're really stupid or if I just liked the old ones because I was younger when I saw them. I also wonder sometimes if we really like old TV shows/movies for what they are or if we just like them because of the nostalgia. However, Sailor Moon will never apply to this because we all know Sailor Moon is amazing no matter when you watch it <3

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   4th August 2012, 3:26 pm

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I completely agree with you yami! The only anime I even care about anymore is sailor moon and it was my favorite from the beginning.
THIS!

lately, i'm just not into anime anymore(however, comic books by marvel/dc/vertigo, hell yeaaah)... well, not just lately, but for some time now
i guess this may happen and it is normal, right?

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   5th August 2012, 5:53 am

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i guess this may happen and it is normal, right?

no. the most animes i watch are seinen and years in the past i where to YOUNG for it (not to old) ..

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   5th August 2012, 6:44 am

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Sorry I'm late guys Razz

I always think about this Yami! Not just with anime but with everything. Like Spongebob, hahah. The new episodes seem so stupid to me and I wonder if they're really stupid or if I just liked the old ones because I was younger when I saw them. I also wonder sometimes if we really like old TV shows/movies for what they are or if we just like them because of the nostalgia. However, Sailor Moon will never apply to this because we all know Sailor Moon is amazing no matter when you watch it <3

Well the pre Spongebob movie era was made for both adults and kids (mostly adults). They have mixture of adult humor and kid humor. You can tell in the older episodes they put a lot work into it. Post movie era episodes have gone down hill dramatically. They made them more kid friendly and Spongebob's voice is so annoying now.

As for my older cartoons/TV shows yeah I guess I like them mostly for nostalgic reasons, but I like them for what they are. For example Nick's sicoms aren't what they use to be. Back in the day they were about kids just being kids. Today all them are about becoming famous either being a web show star or a music star. How can anyone relate to that? I know a lot people what to be famous, but how can kids relate to the characters in Big Time Rush? Disney channel is another good example. A lot of their shows now are about kids becoming pop stars. Again no one can relate to them. They should have shows like Lizzie Mcguire because her TV show was about her having problems with fitting in at school or problems with her younger brother Matt, ect. Young girls maybe boys can relate to her. I know these shows aren't targeted toward me because well I'm past the age limit, but still if I was a parent I would want my kids to watch something meaningful.

I blame High School Musical for starting this kid show singing craze. I used to adore the High Musical movies when I was in high school, but I can't enjoy them anymore. It just got too popular and all the singing shows that followed afterward. Heck I even liked Hanna Montana when it first came on and the show went downhill later in the series.

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   12th August 2015, 6:17 pm

I hate to sound like one of those crotchety "back in my day things were way better" old people, but I have to admit, anime isn't exactly in a good place. Now to be fair, I don't hate modern anime. I've come to like many new shows, like Precure, Tsuritama, Kids on the Slope, even Akagami no Shirayuki-Hime right now. The only reason I don't watch stuff like Naruto, Bleach, or even Dragon Ball is because they're too long and just not my cup of tea. Heck, I don't even like Inu Yasha or Ranma 1/2! However, I have noticed a very troubling increase in anime that have absolutely nothing but forced romantic subplots, underwear shots, boob fondling (which is treated as healthy behavior WHY?! Someone should call the freakin' police on them!!!), etc. Even anime that look to be better than others in terms of writing feel the need to sneak in unnecessary fanservice that isn't needed. Not only that, most shows these days are all about wish fulfillment and self-insertion. What happened to the passion?! The ambition?! The effort?! The emotion?! The days when people wanted to use the medium to tell grand, ambitious, passionate stories to an audience?!

Now granted, even shows in the old days had their duds (Couldn't get into Creamy Mami. Don't like Ranma 1/2, etc), but the state of anime today is very telling on how people view it now, and it's sad. I'll still love anime no matter what, but even I have to acknowledge its not so good state.

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   12th August 2015, 6:32 pm

Its cause otakus practically run the industry these days. At least according to some grumblings by Hayao Miyazaki that i've seen and quotes thrown around tumblr.

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   12th August 2015, 7:26 pm

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Its cause otakus practically run the industry these days. At least according to some grumblings by Hayao Miyazaki that i've seen and quotes thrown around tumblr.
Its less about plot, more about moe, in my opinion. Then again, there's anime that does okay with the moe (as in little to no panty/boobshots) that also have solid plot. I'm currently watching school live! and it is beyond fantastic.

But yeah, Miyazaki nailed it. Anime is now aiming toward the sex-crazed otaku with the entire sex sells issue that you'd see everywhere else, only now it's all about schoolgirls and whatnot. I've noticed an increase in the entire "moe for the sake of moe" just because it's their target demographic, and it is incredibly disappointing and disgusting.

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   13th August 2015, 3:08 pm

Because I feel contrarian, I can't think of a time I've loved it more, between Clannad + After Story, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Yamato 2199, and others. Anime still has plenty to offer, it's just that the awful stuff has never been more available than now.

I tend to see a lot cherrypicking when this subject is breached, because people seem to base their impression of the quality of previous generations anime being better back in the old days based on a small handful of shows they remember enjoying back then. This is the sort of thing I see when people discuss the heyday of the Hollywood studio system as the greatest era of moviemaking. However, these people always tend to name the same ten movies as representative of the entire output of two decades of Hollywood's most prolific era, during which hundreds, probably thousands of films were made, most of which, as always, were largely forgettable and in probably just as many cases or more were downright awful because of the growing pains of transitioning from silent movies to talking pictures (like in Eisenstein's Alexander Nevsky, where the characters emote very... Physically). Carl Macek actually got letters of thanks for editing Southern Cross and Mospeada into Robotech because the Japanese originals of those shows were somewhat garbage.

Also, I was recently watching a documentary called "Jiro Dreams of Sushi", which is about the career of the great sushi chef Jiro Ono. And since he was getting on in years, one of his staff was asked: What challenges would his successor have to face? And the response to the question was: "He would have to be twice as good to be considered just as good." I have a feeling that if people looked at earlier favorites with the same vicious critical eye that they use to judge current shows, many might be found equally wanting, just in different ways.

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   13th August 2015, 3:21 pm

^ I couldn't agree more. No matter what year an anime was made I will always criticized it equally. A good example of this is Sailor Moon Crystal (can't escape it! Razz). A lot SM fans went in expecting it to be like the old anime and ended up hating it. As for me. I knew going in that each version of Sailor Moon is its own thing. You have to judge them all separately because of that SMC had nothing for me. To me it was below average anime. It could have been average, but that is different topic.

However there are ton of current animes that have nothing to offer unless you're into cute girl with big boobs. These shows continue on because the merch sells. The purpose of anime is to sell stuff and promote the manga if it has one. Studios know they have a core audience hook and they don't want to lose them.

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   27th August 2015, 10:41 am

Just throwing out my two cents in response to Goddess Yami's original question.

I've noticed that I'm not largely into anime or manga like I was when I was younger. I still really like certain genres of anime/manga: primarily magic girls and mechas. I really loved Puella Magi Madoka Magica, and Gundam Build Fighters and Gundam Build Fighters Try. If you haven't seen or heard of the Gundam shows, they're like Angelic Layer, but with Gundams. * 3* (I really like the concept of battle/fighting dolls, I guess, ha ha!)

Though my husband and I did recently watch the Magi series on Netflix and I did enjoy that.

I'm really in the mood to (re)read manga like Cardcaptor Sakura, Magic Knight Rayearth, Angelic Layer, etc., but I haven't read any new manga since Kimi ni Todoke and Love*Com (I think those were the last ones I read).

But I digress... overall, I'm not as much of a fanatic as I was when I was younger. When I was still largely into anime & manga, I would watch/read almost anything, but now I've found myself become very selective and less inclined to watch anime for the sake of it. I think the reason I don't read manga very much anymore is because I hate reading manga online. I prefer to read manga as a book, but the idea of buying manga has become less appealing to me -- mostly because I've become a bit miserly in my old age.

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   4th September 2015, 5:44 pm

Yeah, I haven't seen hardly any anime's that were made after 2006 except for the hilariously lewd " yandemasuyo Azazel San!" But I stopped watching that like 2 years ago and I'm probably reeeeeeaallly behind now lol! The only anime's I ever watched in full were chobits, mermaid scar, maison ikkoku, hana yori dango, and I'm working on Sailor Moon now lol. I did watch cowboy bebop, but I haven't seen that in like 15 years now. Same for the dragonball/DBZ franchise. I agree that a lot of newer anime has little to offer on the way of imagination and originality. I heard that a lull by the sea is a good one, about people who dwell under the ocean but haven't seen it personally! I feel like also the anime crowd has changed a lot since a long time ago. 10+ years ago we didn't really have the same kind of self righteous " people who watch anime are weaboo nerds" crowd of bully's either. And I think all the bully's has put a lot of older fans off anime, or they've been criticised for liking something that's " for kids" so they stopped watching it. I still find it odd that us anime fans are generalised and yet all the DC/Marvel and star wars and star trek fans seem to be more culturally accepted. I took a good 6 year hiatus from anime from the age of 20+ and started watching it a little bit again a couple years ago and now I'll be 29 in a couple of months and I'm back into it with Sailor Moon! So don't be too hard on yourself, its perfectly normal for us human folk to go through different phases and interests in our life. Sometimes they come back into our life, sometimes we move on to co pletely new and different hobbies!^-^
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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   20th December 2015, 7:11 am

Hmmm I feel like with with American cartoons (90s-00s were just simply the best) but I've encountered some pretty good animes in the last years. Sometimes I feel anime carries nostalgia with it, and we tend to feel things from our youth are "better" and "fresher". Not to say that anime didn't rock a couple years ago but what I'm trying to say is that I've seen great animes lately (Nana, Kill La Kill, Attack on Titan, etc) and while I enjoy and love many animes from my childhood, I can't knock today's anime either. I definitely enjoy alot of the material that is out there. There's just a lot of crap to sort through when you are looking for good anime/manga. I also feel I'm not into it as much as I was because I just don't have as much time as I did before. And like alot of you have said, it just seems more culturally acceptable when you are younger to be into anime. I don't have many people to talk to when it comes to Sailor Moon or the latest anime series and that does make it a bit hard to keep track with all of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   4th February 2016, 9:49 pm

Feel the same.  I'm always going back to the classic stuff like Cardcaptor Sakura, or Detective Conan(which has gone on for, like, ever),  and SM.  Every so often, I get that itch to go back.  I thought I got out of that phase from HS with anime when I started like K-pop/K-drama.  But I don't know I keep going back to SM, time and time again.  Yeah, I hardly the new stuff a chance.
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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   10th February 2016, 10:01 am

I did recently give an anime called Akatsuki no Yona a chance, and now I'm almost finished watching the anime! I love it! It makes me feel like I'm 12 years old again, watching anime for the first time! There is a God!

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PostSubject: Re: Growing out of anime or is today's anime has nothing to offer?   13th February 2016, 9:37 pm

There are some good anime out there, but it depends on if you can find them or if they go with your taste. A lot of the stuff is Moe and that's fine, but not everything should be like that. I feel like a lot of shows have no real substance and just feel hollow. You know what I am saying? I enjoy shows for really deep and interesting storylines and compelling characters, and I don't like the light and fluffy stuff too much. The story and characters have to be more than one dimensional and such, because otherwise, why would I care for the characters?

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