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PostSubject: Theory: Why does Sailor Jupiter have two elemental based attacks?   2nd August 2012, 9:33 pm

Sailor Jupiter uses both electricity and plant based attacks. Even if her plant based attacks are few, she still has them. So my question is, why? No other senshi as far as I know has two different sets of attacks. What do you guys think?

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why does Sailor Jupiter have two elemental based attacks?   2nd August 2012, 9:36 pm

Well I think it had something to do with her element being earth we can understand the plant part but also lightning as well but I think it's awesome either way. I'm sure mythology could answer your question. I just don't feel like typing it all out tonight.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why does Sailor Jupiter have two elemental based attacks?   2nd August 2012, 9:41 pm

Zeus was the god of thunder and her Japanese name means some sort of tree so that could be why as well.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why does Sailor Jupiter have two elemental based attacks?   2nd August 2012, 9:48 pm

I just read a theory on tumblr that helped stem the idea of this topic Razz someone suggested that Jupiter was supposed to have duties as both an inner and an outer; protecting both the princess and to guard against distant threats. Here is the actual suggestion:



I actually think this is an interesting theory, since Jupiter is I believe considered an outer planet.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why does Sailor Jupiter have two elemental based attacks?   2nd August 2012, 9:52 pm

Ok, I can break this down for you guys. In Asian countries, there are generally five main elements (btw, Jupiter's element is NOT earth). The elements would be Water, Fire, Earth, Metal, and Wood.

So to break down the senshi, here's a little chart for the main five elements:

Water ---> Mercury ---> Suisei in Japanese (literally WaterStar)
Fire ---> Mars ---> Kasei in Japanese (Firestar)
Earth ---> Saturn ---> Dosei (Earth Star)
Metal/Gold ---> Venus ---> Kinsei (Goldstar)
Wood ---> Jupiter ---> Mokusei (Woodstar)


This is why Jupiter has wood based attacks because the Japanese word for Jupiter means wood star. Remember, even though it wasn't showcased in the anime, Jupiter's first attack in the manga was Flower Hurricane. The Greek/Roman mythological influences in Sailor Moon pretty much explains Jupiter's electrical attacks, like Jupiter Thunder. Naoko didn't just base all the characters off of Greek/Roman gods all together, she of course had her Asian influences as well. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why does Sailor Jupiter have two elemental based attacks?   2nd August 2012, 9:56 pm

Ooo! That's interesting to know! I knew about like the Asian main elements but I didn't actually think about that Surprised

Now this just makes me think of like Pluto, Uranus, Neptune and their powers and what type they are...

Now I can't help but wonder, and if you don't mind explaining if you know: how is Saturn tied to earth? Smile

(P.S. -- how kinda unfair; Jupiter is the only one with two sets Razz)

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why does Sailor Jupiter have two elemental based attacks?   2nd August 2012, 9:57 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Xing

Has some more info on it. The reason Uranus, Pluto, and Neptune are left out is because during the ancient times, those planets had not been discovered. So they thought the five elements synched up to the five planets that were already known (Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn).

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why does Sailor Jupiter have two elemental based attacks?   2nd August 2012, 10:02 pm

I'm guessing Saturn is just tied to earth because that's the planet earth is associated with in their elemental system? But I still don't see the earth elements of Sailor Saturn x.x


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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why does Sailor Jupiter have two elemental based attacks?   2nd August 2012, 10:11 pm

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I'm guessing Saturn is just tied to earth because that's the planet earth is associated with in their elemental system? But I still don't see the earth elements of Sailor Saturn x.x


Earth ---> Dosei, The same character "do" is in Hotaru's family name as the "to" in "tomoe". Everyone but Minako has the character that identifies their planet in their family name. Including Mamoru.

The Earth element in Asia is a bit different, it is the "Equaliser", the idea of "elements" in Asia is more philosophical. The Earth is the normalising element, the balancer which separates it from the other four, likely the reason Saturn was chosen to sit out in the original cast of five and the reason why Saturn is on-par with the balancing Sailor Moon. The Asian elements are more about attributes tied to their respective elements rather than what exists in the physical world.

Saturn is one of the Outer Soldiers, who are quite tied to Western Mythology. Perhaps its this divide between West and East that separates the two groups? Sailor Saturn seems to be more connected to the ideas behind "Earth" rather than the physical ground. Earth is not to be confused with Wood here.

As for Makoto's "greediness", remember the other gods that the soldiers are tied too don't really have physical properties. "Thievery", and "War" are difficult to express physically. But when you think about it, all the guardian soldiers have some double-benefit.

Mars ---> Spiritual Sense as well as various chants and mantras from Shinotism
Mercury ---> Intelligence and the computer
Venus ---> (the real greedy one) not only Love, but light (crescent beam), metal (love-me chain, expressing her asian counterpart), sulphur (from the physical planet venus), her physical nimbility as a volleyball player and as Sailor V and all the various weapons she attained.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why does Sailor Jupiter have two elemental based attacks?   2nd August 2012, 11:01 pm

Hmmm...thank you for all this Miki ^^ very thought provoking and explanatory.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why does Sailor Jupiter have two elemental based attacks?   4th August 2012, 8:00 am

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why does Sailor Jupiter have two elemental based attacks?   5th August 2012, 6:31 am

Oak is also known to be Zeus(Jupiter)'s favorite tree, a symbol of his great strength. His Oracle resided in Dodona temple which was said to be surrounded by Oak trees and also housed an Oak tree. The Oak at the temple was said by some to have been the first to speak prophecies at Dodona. Zeus has also been known to wear a crown of Oak leaves... Oak has also called the "King of Trees" and is known to be the tree most succeptable to being struck by lightning.
I'm not sure where Coconut Cyclones come from though... perhaps it has something to do with that potpourri ball she sometimes wears around her waist? Coconut Cyclone does sound more like a very pleasant Glade Plug In scent.
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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why does Sailor Jupiter have two elemental based attacks?   5th August 2012, 9:59 am

Yeah, I get that. I guess it didn't really cross my mind to think Jupiter and think of Zeus XD but at this rate, then I feel like she's the only one (aside from Neptune?) who has attributes of the Greek/Roman god who shares the same name...

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why does Sailor Jupiter have two elemental based attacks?   6th August 2012, 8:05 pm

^.~ I know you've pretty much already got this covered, but just in case you wanted to have a good read, Here is my tumblr link to my Sailor Moon Astronomy tie-ins. For info on Saturn and her tie in to Earth and growth/rebirth, check out the "Saturn Planet Power!" link; ditto goes for Jupiter, or any other senshi you wanted to learn about. ^^

And if that link doesn't work, then here's the info right here in the cauldron: here!

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why does Sailor Jupiter have two elemental based attacks?   6th August 2012, 8:55 pm

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^.~ I know you've pretty much already got this covered, but just in case you wanted to have a good read, Here is my tumblr link to my Sailor Moon Astronomy tie-ins. For info on Saturn and her tie in to Earth and growth/rebirth, check out the "Saturn Planet Power!" link; ditto goes for Jupiter, or any other senshi you wanted to learn about. ^^

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why does Sailor Jupiter have two elemental based attacks?   6th August 2012, 9:47 pm

Lol okay I will. Thank you guys <3

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