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PostSubject: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   16th August 2012, 8:46 pm

I’ve been thinking about this recently… The Inners’ spirits came to help Usagi to defeat Queen Beryl, they helped her and Chibiusa in R, lent their powers to Sailor Moon together with Uranus and Neptune in S and they all combined their powers to help Super Sailor Moon to transform into Eternal Sailor Moon. Could it be that in all these occasions the Senshi had actually used the powers of their Sailor Crystals to help Sailor Moon without actually realizing it?

When the Inners died in the first season their Sailor Crystals stayed inside them and it seemed that their souls came to Sailor Moon but what if their spirits were partly the power of their Crystals? In the R season they combined their powers to help the two Ginzuishous having enough power to defeat the Death Phantom. Maybe they lend their own Crystals’ power to Usagi and Chibiusa and to their Ginzuishous? In the S season it might also be that the Senshi gave the power of their Pure Hearts to Sailor Moon but most likely it seems that they used their Sailor Crystals. In the Stars they gathered their minds and powers as one and since the Sailor Crystals possess their purest Senshi powers it would make sense if they used them to help Sailor Moon. This is just a random theory I came up with so feel free to debate and share your opinions!

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   17th August 2012, 7:34 am

This all makes a lot of sense. I always thought of the Senshi's power to be connected to the Sailor Crystals and as their powers evolved, so did their crystals.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   17th August 2012, 7:46 am

That's what I thought, too! It felt like when their powers evolved they were always closer to their purest forms and powers partly due their Sailor Crystals' powers Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   18th August 2012, 10:31 am

You know, to be honest, I never thought about the Sailor Crystals and the Senshi's power XDD it never really crossed my mind. I just knew they had power, obviously. This would make a lot of sense though. The Sailor Crystals and the Ginzuishou are mysterious things and manifest interesting phenomenon, apparently.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   18th August 2012, 1:09 pm

For manga this is certainly true - but in anime there are not Sailor Crystals, but true Star Seeds and they are in no way connected with their powers.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   21st August 2012, 5:47 am

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You know, to be honest, I never thought about the Sailor Crystals and the Senshi's power XDD it never really crossed my mind. I just knew they had power, obviously. This would make a lot of sense though. The Sailor Crystals and the Ginzuishou are mysterious things and manifest interesting phenomenon, apparently.

Wait for the manga Tuxie Smile ! It's all clear there Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   21st August 2012, 5:54 am

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For manga this is certainly true - but in anime there are not Sailor Crystals, but true Star Seeds and they are in no way connected with their powers.

Umm but Galaxia herself said that the True Star Seeds are Sailor Crystals. And Galaxia wanted the Senshi's powers so why chase after Star Seeds/Sailor Crystals if those didn't possess the true powers? Also, when Usagi's Sailor Crystal aka Star Seed is stolen she de-transforms back to her civilian form so I think Sailor Crystals do possess at least some amount of their Senshi powers...

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   21st August 2012, 12:22 pm

Galaxia did talk about Sailor Crystals? I thought that she said that true Star Seeds belong to people with eternal shine of stars and planets... Maybe there are differences of translations?

And I always believed that she collected them for the shine, not to gain any real powers - which seemed to me creepier.

Usagi's star seed seems to be special case (and the one I remembered being called Crystal). But other girls nor Mamoru weren't detransformed before deaths.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   21st August 2012, 12:33 pm

I don't think anybody mentionned sailor crystals even once in the anime @_@" With the exception of the Silver Crystal.

In the manga, I think they were all using them without realising it. All their adventures in the Dream arc just helped them reveal it to the senshis, and after Nehelenia's defeat, they got their full power from them.
What I don't understand is, why were the future Inners guardians goddesses were shown wearing their regular uniform in the Future arc? Weren't they supposed to have unlocked their full power by then? i can understand for the original edition, but in the shinsoban this should have been modified.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   21st August 2012, 12:40 pm

@Moonlight Lady wrote:
Galaxia did talk about Sailor Crystals? I thought that she said that true Star Seeds belong to people with eternal shine of stars and planets... Maybe there are differences of translations?

Hence Sailor Crystal? Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   21st August 2012, 12:42 pm

@Moonlight Lady wrote:
Galaxia did talk about Sailor Crystals? I thought that she said that true Star Seeds belong to people with eternal shine of stars and planets... Maybe there are differences of translations?

And I always believed that she collected them for the shine, not to gain any real powers - which seemed to me creepier.

Usagi's star seed seems to be special case (and the one I remembered being called Crystal). But other girls nor Mamoru weren't detransformed before deaths.

Quoting Tuxie XD

Galaxia spoke about how the Star Seeds' powers were great and collecting them all she'd become Star Galaxia, the ruler of the universe so I think she collected them because of their powers...

Yeah, they weren't. Maybe Usagi's Ginzuishou was the reason why she didn't vanish. I think that Star Seeds are related to both their bodies and their powers.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   21st August 2012, 12:44 pm

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I don't think anybody mentionned sailor crystals even once in the anime @_@" With the exception of the Silver Crystal.

In the manga, I think they were all using them without realising it. All their adventures in the Dream arc just helped them reveal it to the senshis, and after Nehelenia's defeat, they got their full power from them.
What I don't understand is, why were the future Inners guardians goddesses were shown wearing their regular uniform in the Future arc? Weren't they supposed to have unlocked their full power by then? i can understand for the original edition, but in the shinsoban this should have been modified.

That's what I mean, they used their Crystals without realizing it. Umm do you mean the Black Moon arc?

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   21st August 2012, 12:47 pm

Er, yeah, sorry, I don't like the idea of naming the first two arc by the name of their villain. But yeah, for me, the Future arc is the second arc.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   21st August 2012, 12:53 pm

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Er, yeah, sorry, I don't like the idea of naming the first two arc by the name of their villain. But yeah, for me, the Future arc is the second arc.



I think the reason could be because the future changes all the time depending on choices and occurrences which happen in the present. That might explain why they didn't have their Eternal fukus yet, their future selves before the third arc apparently didn't know anything about the Sailor Crystals nor about the Black Moon.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   22nd August 2012, 12:24 pm

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Galaxia spoke about how the Star Seeds' powers were great and collecting them all she'd become Star Galaxia, the ruler of the universe so I think she collected them because of their powers...


But she didn't use their powers - she seemed to take pleasure in just the collection of them.

And in anime True Star seeds were not the cause of being sailor senshi- for example Mamoru and princess kakuuyu.
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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   22nd August 2012, 7:49 pm

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Galaxia spoke about how the Star Seeds' powers were great and collecting them all she'd become Star Galaxia, the ruler of the universe so I think she collected them because of their powers...


But she didn't use their powers - she seemed to take pleasure in just the collection of them.

And in anime True Star seeds were not the cause of being sailor senshi- for example Mamoru and princess kakuuyu.

I think the animators just didn't mention that Kakyuu is a Sailor Senshi who holds the power and shine of Kinmoku and that Mamoru holds the power of Earth (and kinda the Sun)

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   24th August 2012, 1:34 pm

Mamoru holding the power of Earth was mentioned already in SuperS. But he isn't sailor senshi.

And as for Kakuyuu - it could be inferred that she holds the power of Kinmoku, but she wasn't made by animators Sailor Senshi like in manga.

So in anime there were no Sailor Crystals...

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   24th August 2012, 1:55 pm

No, but he sort of takes the place of Sailor Earth o_o Naoko even mentioned it, I remember. Plus, he still holds like a Sailor Crystal...

And yeah, there may be no referene to them in the anime, but we still know they exist Wink so therefore we can just be like "oh yeah it's the Sailor Crystals doing this."

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   24th August 2012, 8:09 pm

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No, but he sort of takes the place of Sailor Earth o_o Naoko even mentioned it, I remember. Plus, he still holds like a Sailor Crystal...

And yeah, there may be no referene to them in the anime, but we still know they exist Wink so therefore we can just be like "oh yeah it's the Sailor Crystals doing this."

Tuxie you just read my mind again XD! This is exactly what I was thinking about

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   25th August 2012, 8:23 am

But if something is mentioned in anime, doesn't it mean that it doesn't exist in anime?

Mamoru takes in a way place of Sailor Earth, but he isn't one. And therefore in anime he hasn't got a Sailor Crystal, only Golden Star Seed, True Star Seed of Earth.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   25th August 2012, 9:37 am

But the star seed is a Sailor Crystal and we all know it...

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   25th August 2012, 10:13 am

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But the star seed is a Sailor Crystal and we all know it...

Yeah that's the point. I don't remember Mako-chan mentioning that her parents were dead but we all still know it. Anime leaves many things open since the animators don't include every detail 'cause the plot is the same anyways.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   25th August 2012, 11:45 am

Not quite - anime and manga are seperate continuities with different canon. And there are many changes to plot, characters, messages and worldbulding, only general idea stays.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   25th August 2012, 11:50 am

You still know Makoto's parents are dead and that she lives alone in the anime o_o just because she doesn't go outright "my parents are dead" in the anime doesn't mean that's not her situation.

Just like you know the "True Star Seeds" are the "Sailor Crystals". I haven't even plowed through all of the manga and I still know that when I watch the anime. XD

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   25th August 2012, 12:13 pm

Mako actually says in the anime that she lives alone.

And there are many people, who never read manga and they cannot know it.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   25th August 2012, 12:30 pm

They learn though o_o from research or say, this forum Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   25th August 2012, 12:40 pm

They may learn that manga canon is different, but about anime canon you can learn through watching anime...

It's like Batmans - old films and new.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   25th August 2012, 3:53 pm

You still know it o_o they are different but not that different.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   26th August 2012, 5:42 am

It depends - for instance, for Professor Tomoe, Petz or Queen Nehellenia the two canons are very different. In other aspects they may be very similar.

The mythology of Star Seeds was changed in anime and the concept of Sailor crystals was cancelled in that continuity.

Like in both Batman movies Bruce has Alfred, but in the new he does not have Robin. So Robin does not exist in new Batman can as it cannot be said that he is just hiding and we know that he is there...

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: The power of the Sailor Crystals   1st September 2012, 12:52 am

I'd rather say anime leaves many plot holes open and doesn't always tell the complete story. Like the Death Busters and Hotaru's mother par example. We were never told the Death Busters were humans before changing into perfect Daimons neither the story ever told anything about Hotaru's mother even though she was mentioned in the manga. Timelines and plots might be changed and twisted a little bit but the actual story is the same. Besides when we're talking about Sailor Moon it was decided that Toei would make an anime from it AND that people could read the manga and watch the anime in the same time (which sadly never truly happen) so in many anime plot changes the story was simplified for it. But of course Supers makes an exception since the plot line was radically changed.

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