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PostSubject: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   16th January 2013, 8:02 pm

I have aways wondered this in the anime. With the exception of Setsuna, weren't the Outers on Earth just like the Inners durng the ecological disaster? What do you think happened to them? My best guess is that they went back to protecting the outer solar system from outside invaders. I would like to see what others think about this.
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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   19th January 2013, 10:03 pm

It's probably just because Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune had not been created as characters in the manga or anime during the arc where we see Crystal Tokyo, it's also notable that the four Guardian Soldiers are in their original outfits rather than a later form, Diana is also completely absent from Sailor Moon R despite appearing in the Black Moon arc of the manga, so we don't see future Luna or Artemis either in the anime. The best we can do is headcanon and fill in the gaps. The problem is during the Infinity arc of the manga, the traditionally distant Uranus and Neptune changed their mission to fight alongside Sailor Moon rather than fighting from afar, so they actually should have been in Crystal Tokyo if we do not think anything changed in that time. The anime, however, continues to separate Uranus and Neptune from the main cast, so its safe to assume they're elsewhere doing their own thing but its really up to your imagination. The musicals include future-Uranus, Neptune, Pluto and even Saturn in this storyline, they are apparently are in Crystal Tokyo and unite to help against the Black Moon Clan. So there is at least one canon who consider them currently in Crystal Tokyo .

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   19th January 2013, 10:56 pm

Yeah, Naoko apparently never thought her series would go past the first arc, only due to popular demand did she continue. Pretty interesting, but I always thought that the outers were protecting Serenity from their usual points on their planets. I mean, almost every time the story goes to Crystal Tokyo there is some new enemy. It's probable the were providing the first line of defence during the crisis. And since the enemy made it to Earth, they were probably overcome (Sad)

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   19th January 2013, 11:26 pm

I think so too, though technically as the Black Moon Clan are invaders from within the Solar System, it is not under the jurisdiction of Uranus, Neptune or Pluto to actually have to interfere with that particular enemy.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   20th January 2013, 4:46 pm

What they said. Smile

I think sometimes it just boils down to the simple fact that Naoko had not thought up certain storylines or characters and discrepancies will occur for that reason alone.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   20th January 2013, 5:07 pm

Oh, but it is so much more fun to think of headcanon or fanon to account for the discrepancies rather than writing it off as the cause of the author. ^.^

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   20th January 2013, 5:30 pm

Soo then, what is everyone's head canon? ^^

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   20th January 2013, 6:56 pm

Yes, but the inner senshi protect Usagi. I believe that the Outers, not only defend anything coming into the system, but try and get ride of major threats within the system as well before they get to Usagi.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   20th January 2013, 7:07 pm

@Houyou no Senshi wrote:
I think so too, though technically as the Black Moon Clan are invaders from within the Solar System, it is not under the jurisdiction of Uranus, Neptune or Pluto to actually have to interfere with that particular enemy.

You took the words out of my mouth, Houyou. ^^

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   20th January 2013, 8:46 pm

I didn't really think about it like that, especially how the inner's fuku isn't upgraded in the future. I wonder if this will be addressed in the new Sailor Moon though I have to admit, a part of me likes to keep wondering where the outers are since they are so mysterious.
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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   29th July 2013, 12:27 pm

Even though the role of the Outer Senshi is to protect against invaders from different galaxies, I always felt that they would have influence and authority as far as what went on in Crystal Tokyo, although the Inner senshi served as the guardians. It's already been brought up that the Outers (barring Pluto) appeared after Season R so there wasn't a good time to talk about their involvement in Crystal Tokyo. Perhaps the Outers had a secondary role compared to the Inners.

What I want to know is what Princess Saturn's role was. If Saturn was awakened solely to lay ruin to Crystal Tokyo, then what exactly did the planet Saturn serve as a purpose?
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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   30th July 2013, 5:49 am

I wondered this too when I was watching. After much thought and debate, my boyfriend and I came to the conclusion that the Outers were on vacation at that time. (Except Pluto, she's guarding the door.)

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   30th July 2013, 7:59 am

They're the navy making sure dangerous sea creatures don't make it to the island.

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   30th July 2013, 8:04 am

maybe the Outer's didn't show up because Pluto kept them away or sent them on a wild goose chase, knowing the inner's hadn't met the outers yet, so had to prevent the timestream from getting messed up.

after all, how weird would it have been if when uranus and neptune showed up, Usagi instantly blurted out "Haruka, Michiru!" and glomped them? kinda ruin the drama a bit. XD

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   2nd August 2013, 8:28 pm

It's also weird how in the StarS arc of the manga, before Chibi Moon goes back to the past, we see the inners and Pluto passed out within the Crystal Palace, but no sign of Neptune, Uranus or Saturn.

Also I have no idea why they were in their "super" forms. If their past selves had reached the "eternal" phase, how come the future senshi were still "super"?
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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   16th August 2013, 11:37 pm

and it still makes me doubt why the inner and outer senshi didn't appear in their eternal forms during that part, since technically they're in the future. but wouldn't that scene have some sort of reference to the dark moon arc?

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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   20th August 2013, 10:04 am

I think this was already mentioned, but it's probably like a magical roadblock so the girls don't see too much of their future.

It's the difference of learning where your future is leading verses knowing how your future got there.

When they first went to the future, saw themselves as their first transformation. Their original fukus. 

This is what they saw when they went the first time, nearly 1000 years in the future... but in less than a year they upgraded to super and than to Eternal. 

It's like getting to foresee your own death, you know it's going to happen, but you don't know how. If you knew how, it wouldn't happen. Same concept.

That also explains why we don't see Uranus, Neptune or Sailor Saturn. If they couldn't learn of their upgrades, to ensure those upgrades could happen (Since they seemed to depend on key reasons of enlightenment, something they had to go through to advance. Something that made them stronger.) then it goes to say that they weren't ready to meet the others because if they knew, it could change the course of time and events would happen much differently. Butterfly effect. 

Relationships like theirs need to grow naturally, it's they've bonded over hardships. They've learned. Their meeting the outers is also what helped them grow to Supers in the manga.

They already met Pluto, so that's why she's always seen.


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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   9th November 2013, 4:08 pm

Well, I have theory. It's not mine, but I liked and I agree. Very Happy
Pluto said that the future is not written in stone, but every decision might change the future. And everytime Chibiusa travels to past she creates a new timeline. 

At original timeline, before R/black moon, we don't see Uranus, Neptune nor Saturn, because there wasn't at that timeline any need of them to awaken, so they probably spent the rest of their lives as civilians or didn't even re-incarnated at that era. Pluto is locked at the Gates. In that timeline, they didn't need upgrade or help, so the powers that Sailor Moon had was enough when she reached the NQS form and they live happily in Crystal Tokyo (or not that happy, Chibiusa didn't look a really happy child).
Then we have the Black Moon attack and all that events we know. Chibiusa stoles one of Pluto's keys (she does that in manga) or whatever and goes back to the past seeking Sailor Moon's help, since according to her Dad's story was a invencible warrior (or he has a terrible memory of past or with time he ornated the original story, nevermind). That itself changed the timeline creating a new one: a timeline where the met Chibiusa and heard of Crystal Tokyo and later travel to future where they met Pluto, King Endymion and sleep beauty NQS. The vilains also travel to the past. Can you imagine how it messed with the time stream?? 
Originally the 1st time Demande saw Serenity was he attacked Crystal Palace, but then he travels to the past to stalk Serenity's young self. So, when we get to the 30th century, NQS already know Demande.
New altered timeline, new vilains and the senshi need to get stronger in order to defeat the enemy. Chibiusa is turned into Black Lady. NQS has to use her powers to help Sailor Moon to defeat Black Lady and Death Phantom (anime) or just to defeat Death Phatom and Pluto leaves the Gates to join the fight (manga), Pluto dies. 
A new timeline is now created!

Pluto is now re-incarnated at 20th century or is allowed to go to that time. 
Chibiusa travels back to train with past senshi.
Neptune and Uranus are awaken because of the Death Busters presence. 
The reunion of Pluto, Uranus and Neptune summon Saturn.
By this point we have 2 timelines: Death Busters never showed up or Uranus/Neptune/Saturn never awaken/died. Or things happened exactly as shown at anime/manga.
We have a different timeline, because in the future Chibiusa saw the Holy Grail at Serenity's room. But after all that events, we see the Grail being destroyed by Mistress 9 - A new timeline was created.

And so it goes. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo?   29th November 2013, 1:37 am

My headcanon is that during the original timeline, the Death Busters plot resulted in the deaths of Uranus, Neptune, and Saturn.  The Inner Senshi were only peripherally involved because the Holy Grail didn't form.

-they were probably due to be reborn during the time of Crystal Tokyo, and would have been Chibi-Usa's age/compatriots, with Pluto overseeing them.  (...but the timeline was permanently changed as of the point that Usagi and Neo-Queen Serenity met face to face, and then changed again when Chibi-Usa was sent back to the past.)
-this would mean that there were three timelines as of the end of S.  The original timeline, without any time travel.  Chibi-Usa messes this up when she goes to the past the first time, creating the second timeline.  In the second timeline, Pluto is reborn in the past.  (Making it possible for the Holy Grail to be formed/found.)  The THIRD timeline occurs when Chibi-Usa goes to the past during S.

First timeline:  Neptune and Uranus and Saturn die through various means.  The Holy Grail is never found/formed.
Second timeline:  Neptune and Uranus and Saturn still die.  Pluto may or may not die.  The Holy Grail is formed, and Usagi (...or Mamoru) is used as a sacrifice/victim in Chibi-Usa's place.  But everything turns out well, or the Inner Senshi are still only barely involved in the proceedings, which is why Neo-Queen Serenity thinks it's a-okay to send Chibi-Usa back in time for training.
Third timeline:  Canon.  The 'making friends' line wasn't necessarily about Hotaru, though it worked out that way.  Wink

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