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PostSubject: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   25th July 2013, 1:59 pm

This is a twofold question that has to do with the Validity of the Moon's mission and Why they were even charged with such a thing- According to the Manga.


Alrighty, with talking with Phantom, we puzzled over something that always got me when I read it. 


In the beginning the thing that won over many of the people of Earth was that the Moon was spying on them. (Yes yes, aside from 'they were jealous of the long lives' <- even though there's no evidence of that in the Manga tbh. And Metallia can only manipulate what's already sort of there.). 

But, you know, Queen Serenity and even Helios both mentioned that the Moon's mission was to guard over earth. However, only Queen Serenity stated that they were to "Guide Earth on the Right path"

But in order to do that, if you're supposed to 'guide earth' that means you're watching them.

Which means you're also spying on them. 

So wouldn't that mean they were completely valid in their paranoia which was also amped up by Metallia- but really because Queen Serenity and the rest weren't honest about their intentions in the first place?


This Second question would be-

Who gave Queen Serenity this authority? She's a Queen of a  (more or less)  new kingdom.    It always bugged me that she had all these things that she's attributed with that I always wondered how much of it is simply the Senshi never questioning if it at all and it actually -isn't- Serenity that's the Be All End All  but someone else. Or if it is, why did she decide this in and of herself?
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   25th July 2013, 2:23 pm

I always considered the moon kingdom to be like "heaven" There is lots of symbolism, more so in the anime, to suggest that Serenity was a holy like being. 
I dunno, just what I always felt.

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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   25th July 2013, 3:09 pm

^Yeah, that is one way to look at it, and the early material did make the Moon sort of god-like and guiding the Earthlings. But guiding the Earth or protecting it is a little compounded by the introduction of things like the Golden Crystal. It seemed like a crystal of large magical power, and it was definitely used somehow, because the Earth Kingdom was called the Golden Kingdom.

But if the Earth has that crystal and it is as powerful as it is made out to be, why did they need watching necessarily? Was it truly justified?
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   25th July 2013, 3:18 pm

Not to mention, if it was  their purpose, why didn't they stop Metallia's influence? Why didn't P. Serenity or Venus (who were often breaking the rules and going to earth or knew of the conflict) Ever tell the Queen to use the Silver Crystal to banish Metallia from the get go?

What was the hold up?

I mean, they could've stopped this all from the start. Queen Serenity was obvious apt at controlling and using the Silver Crystal.  She could've defeated Queen Metallia at any point and time of the discovery of it on earth since they were spying on Earth to begin with.
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   25th July 2013, 3:47 pm

^That is a good point, though I would imagine that perhaps Metallia was very quiet about her influence and how much attention she attracted. Perhaps she was slow enough and quiet enough that nobody knew it was anything beyond normal dissent.
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   25th July 2013, 8:56 pm

Yeah, but there's this one section where P. Serenity visits the earth to see Endymion and they see this crop of Darkness/dark crystals. 






My thing is, (what isn't shown here because this is the reprint) how much time has passed between P. Serenity seeing -that- and them going to the moon where they ultimately died there.  I'm starting to wonder if the fault could be on P. Serenity (and Prince Endymion) not reacting fast enough.  

I mean, what stopped them from warning everyone in time? From notifying the Queen?   And on the other hand, if the Queen has Soldiers (normal and not Sailors) Why hasn't anyone been on the look out?  Especially with the unrest of Earth people as well?

Mean they had to know something because in Sailor V manga,  Dandurite (Adonis) was a soldier from Venus part of a troop that got sent to Earth early on to help.

So it's kinda like "Were you blind? Because apparently everyone else has noticed this?"
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   25th July 2013, 11:50 pm

Honestly, I think this can be explained as author's convenience. XD;; After all, if Princess Serenity did stop Metalia when the first sign of trouble appeared we wouldn't have a story.

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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   26th July 2013, 8:23 am

^That is true, but you still need to establish why the plot had to go like this. With a plot, you have a character in their normal life, and then you push them into unusual circumstances. The opening part of the plot is like a door. When you push the character through the door, you have to lock the door and barricade it, because if the character can go back through the door, they will.

You just need to iron out the details so the story works. Yeah, so Queen Serenity could have blasted Metalia away. In that case, you need to establish why that didn't happen. Otherwise, you wonder why the whole mess happened. Of course, you could use that to your advantage, the fact that a character could have and should have done something to stop a whole mess of events, but didn't, and there was no excuse for it.

So the scene above would probably work best if it was right before the invasion of the Moon, and the two immediately went to the Moon and died.

On another note, I wonder why the people of the Moon Kingdom (and probably anywhere else) weren't allowed to make contact with the Earth? What led to that? And did the Earth even know about the Moon people
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   26th July 2013, 8:53 am

Obviously this doesn't hold true- because Venus was allowed to make contact and DID send troops to help before it even got that bad at that.  (otherwise Adonis wouldn't have been made part of the Dark Kingdom under Kunzite's command.)

So the implication is starting to look more like It was allowed to happen to be honest.  But I don't know, I always wondered about situtations like this. 

(It reminds me too much of what happened with Crystal tokyo.  Was it allowed to happen? Even if millions died?)
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   26th July 2013, 9:27 am

o.o you guys, i have headcanoned and fanfictioned the crap out of this, but it's all nothing but headcanon, supposition, and imagination; I would comment the crap out of this but I don't think I'll be able to separate what I've already thought though x.x

BUT HERE IT IS ANYWAY. THIS IS KYRALIH'S SILVER MILLENNIUM READYSETGO:
 

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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   26th July 2013, 10:28 am

^Wow, that was really interesting. And I see you think the Golden Crystal is more of Sun crystal too. And I am guessing planetary contact was forbidden because Earth was left without a crystal?

I guess this discussion does venture into headcanon, but is an interesting question.

When I was talking about forbidden contact, I was thinking more of the prince and princess. It works for the story to make it more tragic and create parallels to Romeo & Juliet, but I just wonder as to why the rule was invented. Rules are invented for a reason, good or bad. Sailor Uranus, you did a good job at that with your story.

It wouldn't be hard to imagine the Moon taking a maternal attitude towards Earth, and perhaps taking it a bit too far. Misunderstandings on both sides would actually work for the tragic nature of the story, and create even greater parallels to Romeo and Juliet. The protectiveness worked better with the early material, when Earth seemed without a magical protector, and possibly less advanced than the Moon or other planets.

But with the introduction of the Golden Crystal, it makes the backstory a little harder, and means details probably need ironing out. After all, with the crystal, they have a magical power source, so why did the Moon still take a protective role?

Ktenshi: I can get the Metalia attack and the Moon not doing anything, if Metalia was subtle enough to make it look like simple local dissent. The Moon's not going to send their troops down for that. And Metalia could just take any little feelings of irritation and envy and blow them way out of proportion. And that scene you showed would fit in the very end. By that time, it's way too late to stop the enemy, and that enemy can afford to be glaringly obvious and all but put up a neon sign saying "EVIL MAGIC AT WORK, PLEASE TAKE DETOUR. THANK YOU".

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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   26th July 2013, 12:48 pm

men cant be sailor senshi. Even if they knew the sailor crystal had chosen a host, if it wasnt born to a female the planet was still without a protector, so they could still be protective over it. 
^^ @golden ccrystal - I still think it is Earth's crystal,  but the sun is the primary protective force for it. Like the sun's strength would be used before earth's if it were drained.

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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   26th July 2013, 1:48 pm

That's an interesting way of looking at it. 

I had an idea about the whole "forbidden love" thing. One of the sub-questions that comes up is whether or not the restriction of contact was recent or had always existed, or whether Earth knew there were people out in space or not. Like, if Earth thought it was alone, the first meeting of the show's main couple could have been like:

"So where are you from?"

"The Moon," said the girl innocently.

He laughed. "That's funny. But seriously, where are you from?"

"I told you, I'm from the Moon. I'm the princess there."

This girl is cute but she's not playing with a full deck.

But then I remembered some of the extra art depicting the Inners with the Generals. Naoko Takeuchi said she was thinking of their past lives as lovers, so it implied the groups may have had a relationship. The poses are certainly romantic. If you take that as possible, that implies that Earth knew they weren't alone and might have had contact with the other planets. Now that still makes you wonder why the Earth prince and the Moon princess couldn't talk. That doesn't suggest the Moon was silently guiding the Earth like invisible spirits.

I then think back again to Romeo & Juliet. You know why their love is forbidden, their families hate each other...passionately. A single rude gesture turns into a violent brawl. I don't know if they ever mentioned what made them hate each other, but clearly something happened. So what's the deal with our lovebirds?

The Moon wants to help guide the Earth, and perhaps they did have a maternal attitude that meant well but some might've found irritating. That's fair. The Earth had the Golden Crystal, a powerful object that seemed like a twin to the Silver, considering how they reacted. The best theory I can think of right now is that Earth was communicating with the Moon and other planets. Perhaps the Moon was trying to help the Earth and guide them in properly using their own crystal, in understanding its power.

They could offer advice, but it would only extend so far. While the Gold and Silver seem to be pure magical power, there must be a difference in how that power works. So Earth would have to come to understand the power of the crystal themselves. Maybe Earth was the newest kingdom and Earthling were the youngest of all the groups. So maybe everyone just looked to Earth like a kid brother or sister, you know?

That establishes a friendly relationship with the Earth, even if some people might find it irritating. Now perhaps there was some sort of...incident... shall we say, between the Earth and the Moon, something that Earth did by accident that made the Moon angry. Now while it could have been smooth over diplomatically overall, perhaps there were certain parties in the Lunar Court that didn't necessarily forgive.

Let's say that those parties ordered for the Earth to be spied on, something not approved of by Her Majesty. Let's say Earth finds out. Earth is not happy at all, and it gets worse as more information is revealed. Queen Serenity isn't happy either. But the individuals that don't like the Earth are high up in the court and could give her real trouble at maintaining peace.

So the Earth and Moon are in a weird place, and when Princess Serenity starts romantically seeing Prince Endymion, their relationship is halted. It's not because they can't make contact in general, but because it's not a good idea then. It wouldn't help Queen Serenity at all, it might make things worse. So she tries to stop it, and that make the two try harder, and then things snowball from there.
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   26th July 2013, 3:28 pm

I suppose so with the idea if Metallia was sneaky about it. But it still kinda makes me go "eh" because of how it was handled on Q. Serenity's end. Like she wasn't apt enough to figure it out or wasn't that great at handling this kind of situation.  I know the moon wouldn't send their troops down, but they could've, at the very least, had a better fortified barrier for their own kingdom.

Especially if they knew this dissent didn't quiet down but actually grew.  Metallia cannot make people  on a large scale do things if she doesn't have enough energy. After all, it looks like she can only manipulate what's already there.  And from the looks of things, people have already been annoyed with the Moon Kingdom.

I wonder just exactly how 'good' Q. Serenity was at politics at all. Or if she wasn't very good at anything much but the few key scenes that made her look wise?

@ Uranus: Idk, I'll always consider Mamoru a guardian- especially when he does possess a Sailor Crystal. There's nothing in the manga itself that contradicts the idea of a male senshi at all. In fact it seems to promote the idea that mean can be one too, it's just more likely  for females is all. Not an absolute thing.
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   13th August 2013, 9:59 am

You know, reading through this thread gave me an idea. What if the reason Queen Serenity saw fit to watch over the Earth was that the Earth's Sailor Crystal was born to a male, and therefore the Earth didn't have a proper Guardian?

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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   13th August 2013, 10:17 am

But that doesn't make sense.  That would mean that the moon didn't have a proper guardian either because P. Serenity and Q. Serenity aren't sailor senshi either.

the thing that I don't get about "Must be female" Is that in the book itself, in any form of it- there's nothing to say that males can't be senshi and there's nothing that says they can't be guardians. In fact, Mamoru given a Sailor Crystal (because that's what he has) is the proper Guardian.

Queen Serenity and her court, legit don't have anything to do with Earth. There's nothing for them there other than it's pretty and different.  That's all I'm reading into here with that.  

I'm starting to think she had some type of plan, otherwise, to make Earth part of the moon Kingdom's territories. 

Otherwise why lie about spying on them?
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   13th August 2013, 10:33 am

^I believe the creator said that there could be no male Sailor Senshi when she commented on how she didn't like the Starlights physically changing genders in the anime. But that could also be read as "Sailor" Senshi.

Like I've said before, perhaps the power of planetary crystals is most comfortable in a female body. However, the fact of the matter is that the Golden Crystal resides in Mamoru's body and its magic is being used by him, consciously and unconsciously.

Now that fact leads to one of two conclusions:

1. That it is actually possible for the power of of a planetary crystal, the power source for all Senshi, to be used by a male body. Like I said, the crystals may simply PREFER a female body and a female body may allow for full power. My inspriation for this idea was from the anime G Gundam. In that series, the monster, the Dark Gundam, which had AI, used a male host for most of the show. And it worked really well. But at the end of the show, the villains had discovered that the machine's best host was a female body, one that had the power to give life. With a female host, the Dark Gundam was way stronger. But it still worked really well with the male host.

If the magic were totally incompatible with a male body, then you would think the Golden Crystal would freak out and reject Mamoru as a host. And if it were anything similar to organ or blood rejection, it would not be pretty, not at all.

2. The Golden Crystal is the exception and is different from all the other crystals, in that it actually likes or can be used by a man. Mamoru still probably wouldn't be a Sailor Senshi, at least in title, but he would still be a planetary protector empowered by a magic crystal, which is pretty much the same thing.
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   13th August 2013, 10:42 am

I am agreeing with Gordita from all angles. But, I see Ktenshi's point on men not being sailors. It is a ridiculous concept. But from earlier on in this discussion, complaining about why the earth couldn't use the power of the golden crystal to stop the attack. My theory is that Prince Endymion didn't yet have that power to do that and the crystal could've not yet been discovered? They could've had access to the use of the golden crystal but it had substantial power due to the Prince not being at his peak of loving feelings yet and the fact that P. Serenity did not yet have ownership over the Silver Crystal to help pump power into the golden crystal to achieve such power that is later on demonstrated when confronting Nehellenia in the manga.

Now, as for Adonis and Venus not reporting to the moon about as to the attacks on earth. Maybe the planet of Venus wanted to show their superiority and agreed to keep this all a secret so no other planet could steal their chance at becoming the new rulers of the solar system therefore taking the Moon's place. 

Following on from the issue of not telling Q. Serenity as of the attacks. To start off with she did not approve of P. Serenity visiting the earth, so she would know that she had visited to be able to see the state of it. Also, a child doesn't normally tell their parent of what is happening that is a threat. Think back to when you were younger. If something bad had happened to you in school, bullying or whatever it could've been. You would try and hold back from telling your parents for as long as possible, correct? By the time that P. Serenity had riled up the courage to tell her it was too late, Metallia had prevailed with her plans to attack. She had recruited Beryl, who I think was an explorer who stumbled upon the Dark Kingdom in the arctic(?). She had a human host to do her work for her. She did not directly possess her body, but she was playing mind games.

By making Beryl appear to the public she could remain hidden and therefore remain unknown. Beryl looked like she was the leader who brought misery to all. As far as the Moon Kingdom were concerned Metallia didn't exist, they didn't know of her. That is why when the reincarnated senshi discovered her along with Sailor Moon, it was the first knowledge they had had of her.

And didn't P. Endymion know of the moon watching over the Earth due to his relationship with P. Serenity? Q. Serenity didn't want her daughter's feelings being crushed if anything happened?

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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   13th August 2013, 11:01 am

^The probably did have access to the Golden Crystal. Their kingdom was called the Golden Kingdom. It can't be a coincidence. That's why I suggested that perhaps they didn't have a protector yet because maybe they were still trying to understand the full nature of its power. After all, they probably would have wanted to know that before they tried to use it to power their own Sailor Scout.

And those were some interesting theories. Although you had some of that backwards. The Silver Crystal doesn't pump magic into the Gold alone. The two have a symbiotic relationship. The Gold energizes the Silver first, and I think the Silver then returns the favor.
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   13th August 2013, 11:10 am

I'm one of those people where Author=/= Book Evidence. If Naoko really wanted it to be very well known that men can't be Sailor Senshi, she should've written that line in the books or in other things that she had input in but that never happened therefore-  Actual Evidence=/= Author's Word.

I don't know, maybe P.Endymion's crystal was much like P. Serenity's and was in the possession of his parents?  Maybe he wasn't aware of it's existence inside of him?  There's a lot of Questions on that and Questions about his own parents. 

I think it would be impossible for Venus to keep such a thing a secret and is probably a ploy on Q. Serenity's side.  If she can give the order to Venus to lend troops, she could (if all was successful) have some leverage later to say "See? We're not trying to hurt you."

Which could very well help people change their perception on the Moon Kingdom, which in turn could allow for Q. Serenity to try and prave the way to allow P. Serenity to marry P. Endymion in which they could quite legally include Earth as part of the empire.

Which in her mind, I can very much see it as not, "Mwahaha, More power" but more like "I'm so trying to keep you safe, but to do that, you have to give up XX"


In this line of thinking, I can get how Metallia can easily sway people of Earth. Earthlings, as a whole, are paranoid.  And with a little truth mixed into lies...

I think, Metallia in the end, did possess Beryl.   Beryl never wanted to kill Endymion, she loved him. The fact that the manga shows clearly that she was the one that killed him and was possessed says  much about how deeply entrenched she was in Metallia's power.
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   13th August 2013, 11:23 am

I think it might be safe to say that the Golden Crystal was separated from the Silver during the war, and wasn't in the prince's possession. If I recall correctly, it was stated that Endymion hadn't really met Helios in the past, or probably never knew of him beyond a face across a room or a referenced name.

Helios was the high priest of the Golden Crystal, and pretty important. If the crystal had been inside the prince during those last events, you would think he and Helios would have interacted more. And you would think that if it was in there during the war, the reaction with the Silver Crystal would have helped the fight. It might be that the crystal was, as you say Ktenshi, not in his possession and was placed into his body as he reincarnated.
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   13th August 2013, 11:32 am

But, the crystal -was- inside Mamoru. This was the huge Plot point of SuperS manga.

Helios was the priest of Elysion, and the clergy, as a whole from what I know, usually are Scholars. For Helios to have some idea of the Golden Crystal and what it could do, there must have been some texts about it. 

For all we know, before Q. Serenity appeared with the Silver Crystal and all, the Golden Crystal reigned as well as the Golden Kingdom. 

If, as a speculation, somehow the Golden Crystal itself was believed to be lost to the Kingdom or simply vanished, then that would make a bit more of sense.

It seems to me, not everyone knew or understood the concept of Sailor Crystals or Starseeds yet.

Since the golden crystal is Mamoru's Sailor Crystal the same way that the Silver Crystal is Usagi's, it stands to reason that either:

A:  The Golden Crystal was around, but like the silver Crystal of the future- if the heir touches it it can or will become in possession of that heir. (either disappearing into their body or awakening another version of itself.).

B: The Golden Crystal was around before the time of the Moon Kingdom, but for whatever reason it became 'lost' but really it actually just reincarnated inside of the present heir, Prince Endymion, who was still in training and doesn't know how to summon it.  (This is in reference to how he summoned it in SuperS.)
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   13th August 2013, 11:37 am

Or, because of the power of the golden crystal when it reacts or is near the silver crystal could've been seen as a threat to Q. Serenity. She might've felt as if 'If I let this mysteriously beautiful planet join the empire, I could be threatened'.

Don't forget that at the time of the Moon Kingdom not much was known of the Earth, only it's stunning appearance and it's people like P. Endymion. It all seemed normal but the Queen could've suspected something? Like maybe she was secretly rooting for the Dark Kingdom to destroy the Earth so all possible threats could be erased. She would've let the Dark Kingdom keep the Earth and try and join forces with them.

Seeing that the Dark Kingdom didn't stop there at the earth she revived the whole solar system civilians and revived the earth with her remaining power. She sacrificed herself but her soul still lived on on the surface of the moon. As we see in one of the anime episodes and I think the manga where the senshi are teleported to the moon and talk to the Queen. Unless this was just a somehow prerecorded hologram/message.  Which I doubt.

Seeing that Metallia's power was formidable she may of been selfless in giving her own life for those of the civilians but she may of meant it in a more selfish way? Thinking that if I send them all away to Earth and seal the Darkness away which will one day escape. I will have nothing to worry about because I will be peaceful on the moon. It will be their problem. It could be possible? Not a lot is known about the Queen, she could've been a bit corrupt,sick and tired or self-centered.

Helios may've taken the crystal and protected it till the Prince's time came to reincarnate? Don't forget that they reincarnated about a thousand years later. Also, the silver crystal has been passed down through three generations. Maybe the same could've happened with the golden crystal, the Prince's father could've gave him the crystal when he reincarnated. The Earth was described as a 'different' planet. The crystal may of been different in regards of its possessor. Golden is better than Silver right? Then the sun could possibly contain the platinum crystal? But the sun was so strong that it wasn't defeated or reincarnated?

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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   13th August 2013, 11:57 am

The thing about the sun that was only mentioned in one line by Queen Nehellenia while she was being sealed back in the mirror- 

She point out states that Mamoru/Earth is also guarded by the Sun.   Which could mean that perhaps the Golden Crystal is comprised of two crystals rather than one?   What if- just speculating here- but what if the Golden Crystal was born much the same way Chibiusa's Pink Moon Crystal was?

From a carrier of the Sun's Sailor Crystal and the Earth's Sailor Crystal to produced a more powerful version which is the Golden crystal?

That's the only way I can think of Mamoru having the protection of both the Sun and the Earth.  


But I don't see  Q. Serenity reviving anything but the people that were on the moon, though.  The entire devastation and act happened on the Moon and the Silver Millennium itself.   I think the Earth and the people on it escapes Saturn's power in that respect.  At least, it's eluded to that being the case. 

I think it's more likely that she hasn't used that kind of magic much, and that like muscles- if you don't use it, you become weak.  Not to mention, unlike Usagi in the later volumes of the manga and in the other incarnations,  Q. Serenity did all of this on her own without the Sailor Senshi to add power to her base- which is probably why she died in the first place. 

Thinking about it, Q. Serenity did pretty much disrupt the cycle of rebirth anyway, considering the Galaxy Cauldorn and all that.
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   13th August 2013, 12:09 pm

Sailor Uranus's headcanon already used the fused crystal theory. I prefer the Gold being the Sun crystal and the Earth crystal being perhaps too weak to support a protector. And Earth could be like the kingdom of the Sun, like how I imagined the Jovian Kingdom living on the moons. Maybe the moons have their own crystals, but they are still the kingdom of Jupiter, know what I mean?

Ktenshi: You're idea of the crystal getting lost is really interesting, and I can't believe I didn't think of it. That could really work. After all, most of the issues with the backstory now are because of the crystal's presence. It makes me wonder about something. I'll need to do some more research now.

And the idea of Queen Serenity's magic being weaker from potential lack of use.

PallasMercury: The Golden Crystal couldn't have been a threat because it powers up the Silver. And did one set of continuity really say that the Moon knew little of the Earth? I thought the original intent of the Moon was to guide the Earth. You can't do that, even in a totally benign sense, without knowing them.

The Silver and Gold Crystals seem like, for lack of a better term, siblings. They complement each other. Actually that makes me think of this cartoony image of the two hugging each other and talking to each other when they were reunited, going on about what they'd been doing.

... my imagination is weird.
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   13th August 2013, 12:25 pm

Yes Phantom your imagination is weird yet fun and cute. 

Coming back to your final point, if Naoko was using mythology and astrology to complicate the Sailor Moon series surely if any two crystals were to be alike it would be the Earth and Venus crystals? I mean due to them being twin planets, she may not of thought of that but it would make a bit more sense.

Even though something powers another thing up it doesn't make it an ally. For example, When Saturn presented NQS with the Amazon stones of the quartet they were sworn enemies, correct? Saturn didn't even explain her reasoning to NQS but without further ado she gave them power and brought them back to life. She may've sensed this herself as well but its an example. 

The mission of the moon may be to guide the Earth but, they were forbid from actually visiting it. To guide someone or thing you don't need to necessarily know them or it. They were challenged with guiding it due to their broad-mind and the Earth not as gullible and believing. But and a BIG but, they may not of yet started their mission or seen no need to take action. A bit like the senshi guardians from their castle. They didn't step in to guide them till need be. The Earth's time may not of come yet. And before it was time to guide them they watched over them but then the attack of the Dark Kingdom was fired.


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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   13th August 2013, 12:41 pm

But the amazons weren't evil to begin with.  If you think about it in this way- they were like the Shitennou and reverted to those forms because they essentially broke their oaths to Queen Nehellenia who was using them.

Saturn already, somehow, sensed that they weren't evil to begin with and were deluded.  NQ Serenity is still Usagi and Usagi still believes in second chance and ect.  She wouldn't question Saturn at all because Saturn is A: Her friend and B: Someone very loyal to her. 

Why would she need to question that?

Another hand would be that maybe the Moon was given that whole "you guide them" thing not only to guide earth but to Learn from them too.   Must things and people who guide others learn from those they're supposed to be helping about 9/10. 

Perhaps the Moon Kingdom lacked something and in order to guide anything and anyone, they were t o learn from their charges as well?

It is a thought.

Maybe they were too arrogant to see it that way? Or to even try to reach out?
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   13th August 2013, 12:56 pm

@PallasMercury: Hmm, that is an interesting way to look at it. And if the Golden Crystal was missing... I definitely need to research some new ideas. And thank you for the compliment.

It is true that Miss Takeuchi used a mix of mythology, magic, and astrology in her work. And yes, Venus and Earth are considered sister planets. However, going on the astrology thing, remember that Earth has basically no significance in astrology. Some astrologer tried at some point, but it never caught on. That might be one reason why Earth didn't have a protector when the series was created.

As I have said before, the Golden Crystal really gives off solar vibes. It does, especially with the strong reaction it has with the Silver, which is essentially the Moon. And furthermore, the Golden Crystal seemed to express its power in raw magic, the same as the Silver, as opposed to specific natural forces like the other planets. It adds to the idea that they are compliments. Besides, their being compliments also works with Mamoru and Usagi being a couple. Sun and Moon, male and female, day and night, king and queen.

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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   13th August 2013, 1:06 pm

But, it could be argued that the golden crystal's power is only expressed that way because its' carrier - Mamoru- did not have anything to channel that power through until Helios gave him a scepter as well.

Mamoru suffers from lack of proper guidance and training. I would wager that if he had the same training and tools that Usagi had, he would probably be able to channel the power more properly and it wouldn't be 'raw bursts'.
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PostSubject: Re: [theories] Why did they have to do that?   13th August 2013, 1:35 pm

Well then if Mamoru lacks guidance then the Moon failed their mission no? I personally think that as the series progresses the mission is left up to Usagi and co. They are moon children, a part of the moon kingdom. Coming back to my earlier point, Q. Serenity has left yet another task upon her reincarnated child and friends. They have been tasked with guiding Mamoru.

He starts out as a jewel-stealing jerk, as he cooperates and joins the senshi they teach him the values of friendship etc. In my eyes it is just hidden very well but his people skills definitely grow as they spend more time together. In terms of friendship and love he would sacrifice himself for any of the senshi due to them teaching him the values and guiding him.

So, I think that Q. Serenity has left the moon's missions daunting upon the late reincarnations of her child and allies. 

I agree with Ktenshi on the point of Mamoru having nothing to channel the power through and its nice to know that I have someone else to understand me, phantom.

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