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PostSubject: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   31st July 2013, 3:00 pm

so i was this post on fb today, i had to use the fb translator for it. SO did she ever say something about it?  i thought all she said that it was an idea, so what do you guys think?


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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   31st July 2013, 3:21 pm

I'm pretty sure it was just an idea of having the inners being paired off with the generals. Which I heavily support. 

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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   31st July 2013, 3:25 pm

with Venus and Kunzite there's more support for that actual relationship which is mostly found in Sailor V Manga (supported by Adonis's accounts and also supported again in Sailor Moon during a flashback when Venus went to get P. Serenity and Kunzite was there with Endymion when it happened, also causing Venus to blush as well when she saw him.)   


Then added a hint with Rei/Jadeite as he mentions there's something special about Rei.   (However this could be taken differently as Rei has yet to become Sailor Mars so what Jadeite could've been referring to was that she was an unawakened senshi. It's just too ambiguous a statement to be anything concrete. )

 Everyone else was an idea that just never actually happened. (Especially with Mercury and Jupiter as they had Zero interactions and Zero implications for any of their relationships with the Shitennou).

 
I, myself, don't really support the  Shitennou x Senshi mix because there's no evidence of any relationships between them in any context save for Venus/Kunzite and PGSM Mercuryx Nephrite.
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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   31st July 2013, 3:27 pm

Quoted from Mangastyle. She seemed to believe they were a past love.

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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   31st July 2013, 4:10 pm

That might be true, Star, but the comic book and anime (and most of PGSM) shows otherwise. Especially in the projects that Naoko was involved with personally, she could've had a little more input there. Or made another silly comic about it, but other than that it's kinda being told there is vs actually seeing it happen.

I don't really put much stock into it canonically because there's no chemistry or evidence. (I really honestly can't see Zoisite and Ami together. It just..doesn't seem possible somehow.)
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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   31st July 2013, 4:25 pm

I will always ship all inners with the shittennou <3
I do think the shittennou are the partners of the inner senshi =)

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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   31st July 2013, 4:38 pm

I have to admit the only time I really shipped the Shitennou and the Inner Senshi was in Starlights Ryuusei Densetsu (SeraMyu), but that's because the two actors and actresses for the Shitennou really gave them more life and personality. 

Other than that I like the idea more of the pairs being partners in protecting their Prince and Princess, more than romantically connected.
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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   31st July 2013, 7:20 pm

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That might be true, Star, but the comic book and anime (and most of PGSM) shows otherwise. Especially in the projects that Naoko was involved with personally, she could've had a little more input there. Or made another silly comic about it, but other than that it's kinda being told there is vs actually seeing it happen.

I don't really put much stock into it canonically because there's no chemistry or evidence. (I really honestly can't see Zoisite and Ami together. It just..doesn't seem possible somehow.)

yes, that last part so much, i don't see it, Ami is sweet and shy and kind.  Zoisite well not so much, even not not brained washed, his personllity would not match...  and i reason i like SM alot is the diffrent couple, it's uqinc 
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I have to admit the only time I really shipped the Shitennou and the Inner Senshi was in Starlights Ryuusei Densetsu (SeraMyu), but that's because the two actors and actresses for the Shitennou really gave them more life and personality. 

Other than that I like the idea more of the pairs being partners in protecting their Prince and Princess, more than romantically connected.

that last part is a good point.. 

also I'm a bit nerves about the new anime not paring Zoisite with Kunzite, 

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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   31st July 2013, 7:33 pm

Me too.  Even though it wasn't in the manga, Zoisite and Kunzite's relationship was utterly beautiful in the same way that Haruka and Michiru's were which is the same as saying (to me at least)  Usagi Mamoru and Chibiusa/Helios. 

It's pretty much one of the most satisfying relationship (Aside from Nephrite and Naru) in the anime that I thought was done well.

how Kunzite never dismisses Zoisite and his feelings and actually comforts him and how Zoisite does look to Kunzite a lot.

(have to admit PGSM did make me whine about that.)

But yeah with Zoisite and Ami..I can't picture it at all, even in the manga.  Zoisite's too open with his feelings and seems more implosive all around (barring PGSM).  While Ami's much more cool and too gentle in comparison.  

Nephrite.. eh.. Anime wise I'll alwyas see him with Naru, Manga wise there's really not much to say. It's like he's a blank sheet of paper.  Somewhat clever but no personality to speak of. I don't know if he'd mesh well if at all with Makoto or be able to match her needs.  that kid from Mamoru's school would be a better match there.
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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   16th August 2013, 10:41 pm

I was this on tumblr

"" something that was set up for ceremonial purposes given with our roles we would have likely been Princess Serenity’s bridal party and I could see them being the groom’s men, if weddings occurred in that fashion at the time."


it can make since, brides maids are often paired up with a grooms men for who they walk down the isle with.

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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   16th August 2013, 10:57 pm

Hmm. I always wondered this myself. I feel like, if anything, the senshi x shittenou thing was more of an idea. Naoko, I believe, used her art to kind of like "experiment" if you will, and just drew to see what it would look like/realize a "fantasy" image of sorts. I mean for example, you have a rather suggestive picture of Minako grabbing Usagi's boob from behind. Does that mean Usagi x Minako is a thing? Not necessarily. Naoko just loved drawing her senshi in a "sexy" fashion.

Going on what people say about Codename: Sailor V (I haven't personally read it myself), the there is minimal evidence to support Kunzite x Minako/Sailor Venus, just like there is minimal evidence to support Ami x Nephrite in PGSM, and even, as us crazy people believe, Rei x Minako in the manga/PGSM. Naoko left a lot up to the imagination, since she, as far as I/we know, never directly stated "this is what is and what is not", beyond really the realm of Usagi/Serenity and Mamoru/Endymion (and of course HaruMichi).

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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   16th August 2013, 11:03 pm

maybe Kunzite was a player XD   i read Sailor V and i don't think it said he if returned the feelings.. so we will never know.

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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   24th August 2013, 12:26 pm

IMO, pairing up all of Generals with all senshi is too convenient. In Silver Millennium times it also takes away from Serenity and Endymion being unique with interplanetary romance. And I as well can't see Ami/Zoicite under no circumstances.
However, pairing senshi/general can be good, if done individually and not as part of package. Like Ami/Nephryte in PGSM - I wish it became canon.

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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   24th August 2013, 12:50 pm

I agree with most people on here, definitely Ami x Nephrite in PGSM. There were always those looks between those two. Ami pitied him whilst as Darkury which strengthened his feelings for her but she never had any reasons to return them feelings. But the pairing would've worked pretty well in my opinion.

As everyone says for Ami x Zoisite, it does seem implausible but as most people say these days. Opposites attract, which could've been the case for these two if it ever did happen. As the same can be applied for PGSM Ami x Nephrite.

So there is no evidence really in any franchise to suggest such pairings. And I read Codename: Sailor V some time ago and don't remember any feelings etc, between Minako and Kunzite. I may re-read it later though. I thoroughly enjoyed that manga.

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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   24th August 2013, 8:51 pm

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IMO, pairing up all of Generals with all senshi is too convenient. In Silver Millennium times it also takes away from Serenity and Endymion being unique with interplanetary romance. And I as well can't see Ami/Zoicite under no circumstances.
However, pairing senshi/general can be good, if done individually and not as part of package. Like Ami/Nephryte in PGSM - I wish it became canon.
it would have been different if it was neprhite or jeadite with one of the girls, and it kind of dose take away from the what sereinty and endymoin had

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I agree with most people on here, definitely Ami x Nephrite in PGSM. There were always those looks between those two. Ami pitied him whilst as Darkury which strengthened his feelings for her but she never had any reasons to return them feelings. But the pairing would've worked pretty well in my opinion.

As everyone says for Ami x Zoisite, it does seem implausible but as most people say these days. Opposites attract, which could've been the case for these two if it ever did happen. As the same can be applied for PGSM Ami x Nephrite.

So there is no evidence really in any franchise to suggest such pairings. And I read Codename: Sailor V some time ago and don't remember any feelings etc, between Minako and Kunzite. I may re-read it later though. I thoroughly enjoyed that manga.
well pgsm is different and i'm fine with rei/jeddy or neffy/mako-chan, it just don't like kunzite and zoisite being paired with one of the girls

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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   25th August 2013, 9:40 am

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As everyone says for Ami x Zoisite, it does seem implausible but as most people say these days. Opposites attract, which could've been the case for these two if it ever did happen. As the same can be applied for PGSM Ami x Nephrite.

So there is no evidence really in any franchise to suggest such pairings. And I read Codename: Sailor V some time ago and don't remember any feelings etc, between Minako and Kunzite. I may re-read it later though. I thoroughly enjoyed that manga.
My problem with Ami/Zoicite is that they aren't even opposites, who complement and balance each other, but they are totally different. Like where to start with development of this relationship.

Little Venus->Kunzite moment (though in the past) is also in manga. But there Mars kills Jedaite and Mako Nephryte, so these ships may be declared sunk.

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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   14th October 2013, 12:12 am

Any new thoughts on this after la reconquista? I know Myu aren't cannon, but clearly there are others thinking about the generalXsenshi pairings as being plausible!

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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   14th October 2013, 9:44 am

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Any new thoughts on this after la reconquista? I know Myu aren't cannon, but clearly there are others thinking about the generalXsenshi pairings as being plausible!
yea... it's kind of cute in La Reconquista    i never thought I'd say those words,  XD  but unlike the last musicals where it had that paring, Ami went with it, instead off running away from zoi-chan the whole time...

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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   14th October 2013, 3:36 pm

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I know Myu aren't cannon
Just a note, Myu IS cannon, it just has its OWN cannon that it follows in the SM universe. Much like the anime has its own cannon and the manga and PGSM and so on...




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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   14th October 2013, 10:29 pm

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@whitehexe wrote:
I know Myu aren't cannon
Just a note, Myu IS cannon, it just has its OWN cannon that it follows in the SM universe. Much like the anime has its own cannon and the manga and PGSM and so on...



too many cannons, lol so the new anime should fallow the old anime ship cannons then XD

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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   14th October 2013, 11:34 pm

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@whitehexe wrote:
Any new thoughts on this after la reconquista? I know Myu aren't cannon, but clearly there are others thinking about the generalXsenshi pairings as being plausible!
yea... it's kind of cute in La Reconquista    i never thought I'd say those words,  XD  but unlike the last musicals where it had that paring, Ami went with it, instead off running away from zoi-chan the whole time...
that was just too cute for words! i really loved the pairing in la reconquista. i generally wouldn't ship it, then again just seeing how the canon works in la reconquista makes it seem interesting especially ami/zoicite since there's more interactions from them instead of the other 3 pairings. still i see the general/inner senshi pairing more as protecting the prince/princess from evil rather than the normal otp pairing.

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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   15th October 2013, 1:37 am

Hmph. I liked Ami/Zoisite long before it was cool. /hipster

No, seriously. I thought it would be a fun challenge to write. Because I think it could work if done right. I'd go with the angle of Zoisite, as a good guy, being a lot like Usagi. He's very outgoing and sweet, although he's not as innocent as Usagi--in fact, he's kind of like Chibiusa in that he can be very mischievous. He'll call Ami "Ami-chan" and demand that she pay attention to him and do things with him. And Ami realizes that she really likes spending time with him.

Honestly, Rei/Jadeite seems like it would be a lot more difficult.
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PostSubject: Re: [Debate] that image in the manga, did naoko ever talk about it.   15th October 2013, 9:57 am

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@sailor swifty wrote:
@whitehexe wrote:
Any new thoughts on this after la reconquista? I know Myu aren't cannon, but clearly there are others thinking about the generalXsenshi pairings as being plausible!
yea... it's kind of cute in La Reconquista    i never thought I'd say those words,  XD  but unlike the last musicals where it had that paring, Ami went with it, instead off running away from zoi-chan the whole time...
that was just too cute for words! i really loved the pairing in la reconquista. i generally wouldn't ship it, then again just seeing how the canon works in la reconquista makes it seem interesting especially ami/zoicite since there's more interactions from them instead of the other 3 pairings. still i see the general/inner senshi pairing more as protecting the prince/princess from evil rather than the normal otp pairing.
it was funny when ami held out the cloth, and zoisite was just.. :bunnykonataeye and went with it


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Hmph. I liked Ami/Zoisite long before it was cool. /hipster

No, seriously. I thought it would be a fun challenge to write. Because I think it could work if done right. I'd go with the angle of Zoisite, as a good guy, being a lot like Usagi. He's very outgoing and sweet, although he's not as innocent as Usagi--in fact, he's kind of like Chibiusa in that he can be very mischievous. He'll call Ami "Ami-chan" and demand that she pay attention to him and do things with him. And Ami realizes that she really likes spending time with him.

Honestly, Rei/Jadeite seems like it would be a lot more difficult.
Rei would be doing some Fire Soul if jeddy steeped out of line..

yes, this is how I'd see zoisite, he is sweet yet misgif... sound like my kind of guy XD..... forget about Ami or Kunzite... i want Zoisite.. XD XD          

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