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PostSubject: Dragonball General Discussion   10th October 2011, 10:49 pm

So um, why haven't we started a Dragonball thread yet? Srsly. Lol. Next to Sailor Moon, DBZ was probably my most favorite anime that aired on TV. I'm doing a rewatch right now and just finished watching all of the Buu Saga (I never did finish it >.>) and have watched all of Kai that's been released (ok well right up to the Androids). Right now I'm finally watching all of the original Dragonball, which I only had seen random episodes I caught on Toonami.

Its making me so nostalgic! Also I'm in love with the ending song.



Anyway, this is the place for fellow DB fans to chat and talk about one of the most popular Shonen series of all time! Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   10th October 2011, 10:52 pm

I miss DBZ. I havn't watched it in forever.

I would want to start with DB however, and re-watch them all
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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   10th October 2011, 10:54 pm

We watched the Buu saga in English because my BF had already seen them in Japanese but never the english version (plus it was easier to set up the streaming to the xbox with the english vers, lol). We started watching Dragonball with the intentions of watching it in Japanese, but I've been wanting to draw while watching and well, i gotta pay more attention when its in japanese than i do in English. Ah well! XD

I have to say though I'm seriously attached to the English voices and I think over time, the voices have really settled into their roles really well. The Kai dub is excellent imo.

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   10th October 2011, 10:57 pm

Do they change much of the story when translated into English?

I've never watched it in Japanese. However, I have seen most of DBZ in English.

I adore the Adroids, and Trunks.. I used to have a crush on Trunks.
( but who didn't... )

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   10th October 2011, 11:04 pm

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Do they change much of the story when translated into English?

I've never watched it in Japanese. However, I have seen most of DBZ in English.

I adore the Adroids, and Trunks.. I used to have a crush on Trunks.
( but who didn't... )

As far as Kai goes, from what I can tell, nothing is unchanged especially if you get it on DVD. For the TV airing (which its airing on Nicktoons btw) they had to censor some of the blood and stuff for obvious reasons. Krillain actually curses in the Kai dub, I laughed so hard!

I haven't fully watched all of Z in Japanese either, but i know once Funimation went and redid it and they released the uncut version on DVD, they didn't really censor or mess up anything. I remember hte original dub of the early seasons of DBZ were notorious for random censorship like when Vegeta and Nappa came to earth and started randomly killing people. And Hell was the "home for Infinite Losers" ie HFIL and random crap like that. Though, i think the Vegeta and Piccolo voices from the early dub of DBZ were some of the better ones (I believe thats when Piccolo was voiced by Scott McNeil of Duo Maxwell and the wolf dude from Inu Yasha fame).

And btw, crush does not cover the love I held for Trunks back in the day. I was like scary weeaboo fangirl obsessed. ^^;;

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   11th October 2011, 7:01 am

OOooooh mygosh.

I started rewatching random episodes of DBZ just a couple of weeks ago when I saw them on Nicktoons and got so excited and nostalgic I had it playing in the background almost all night every night for a week. Yay Kai!

I remember the first time I saw the show I turned to my little sister and we were like "This show's animation looks kinda like Sailor Moon!" <3 ... so Dragonball and Dragonball Z pretty much led us down the road to the realization that they were both made in Japan and there was a whole slew of anime out there. The End.

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   11th October 2011, 8:03 am

Oh, sweet mother of God, I love you for this post, B-chan (well, I've always loved you, but I love you even more now. Hee.).

The Dragon Ball (Z) saga is just always an all time favorite of mine. I think it was the third anime that I ever watched (Ronin Warriors & Sailor Moon) and gyah, do I love it. I did not at first -- all that yelling and noise and block-like animation drawing style was just too obtuse compared to Sailor Moon -- but once Frieza came into the picture, I became hooked. The drawing was a little better for me and when I saw the first episode of the Trunks saga (yes, it is his saga) I was addicted.

So yah, I had a huge crush on Trunks as well. His voice was pure SMEX. All gratey and slightly snarky and when I found out that he was Vegeeta's son I nearly EXPLODED. Actually, Goku's reaction at the news was mine exactly. XD I really loved that Saga with the androids (oh Krillian, you and your wonderful crush and MARRIAGE to Android 18 was pure awesomeness XD). Trunk's long hair was an amazing plus as well. XD

I have to say though, I adore Vegeta the most. I do not like him in the early series because he is so tiny. lol. The Buu saga is such a difficult one for me because I think he is the most aggravating villain to ever be created but that season is my favorite Vegeta season. I love his interactions with Goku (ohmygosh, their adventure inside Buu???? XD) and I think he is drawn beautifully. Everything about him in this saga is just gorgeous. I cried at his sacrifice. Oh gosh.


Has anyone watched any of the movies?

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   11th October 2011, 9:31 am

I began watching DragonBall Z right around the time I began watching Gundam Wing and Sailor Moon. To this day, I still adore all three animes. Right now, my boyfriend and I are re-watching the English dub of DragonBall Z. Normally, we hate English dubs of animes, but it just sounds so right when watching DragonBall Z.

Who didn't used to have a fan crush on Trunks? Oh geez, I used to have my room plastered wall to wall with pictures I had printed from the Internet. The majority of the pictures were of DragonBall Z and Sailor Moon. You have no idea how ridiculous it was. I have a picture at my parents' house. Seriously, I ran out of wall space and I used all four walls and even cut the pictures down to size and overlapped them. It took my father forever to fill in the puncture marks left by the thumb tacks when I finally took all the pictures down.

I've watched a couple of the movies, but not all of them. I never did watch the Buu saga, for some reason. Oh! I remember. At some point, Toonami used to play the same seasons over and over again for years (Saiyan, Ginyuu, and Frieza, repeat, repeat, and repeat). Eventually, I stopped watching, but I collected the VHS tapes through the Android and Cell saga.

I'm not sure if I have a favorite character. Bulma's mother is freakin' adorable! I used to really like ChiChi, because she was so neglected. Damn, her life was tough. How many times did she not know if her husband and son(s) were dead or alive? Even when they were home, she didn't get to see them for very long before the next villain came along. Of course, Trunks was my favorite character for awhile. That's practically a given.

Oh, my original fan characters? That's right, a crossover between DragonBall Z and Sailor Moon with a little bit of Animorphs thrown in for flavor.
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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   11th October 2011, 10:41 am

It's ok, I got the name Brit-chan from my self insert mary sue DBZ character I made. I think she started out as a girl the age of Goten and Trunks in the Buu saga or something. But she was mysteriously a saiyan! LOLS. It was bad.

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   17th October 2011, 3:50 pm

Did anyone see the live-action movie? I think that in and of itself is worthy of discussion. I was so confused and disappointed afterwards.

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   17th October 2011, 7:17 pm

Oh man, i didn't even bother with the live action movie. But did you know there was Chinese produced live action Dragonball movie made in the 1980s? They also released a special edition of with with 3D animation added to it for the effects. I heard its pretty bad. I'm sure you can find a torrent of it somewhere.

And with the american live action one, apparently, it was popular in Japan. Apparently a lot of japanese people just felt it was an AU story and enjoyed it all the same. But for some reason I find that the Japanese have either a weird taste in movies or a bad taste in movies. I find a lot of their live action dramas and stuff aren't that great. Not all of the movies, but a lot of them. lol

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   18th October 2011, 6:35 am

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There's an older version of DBZ done by a Chinese director? I know this isn't a thread about DBZ, but I would appreciate you providing a link

As per a conversation in the Rurouni Kenshin thread, I found the link for the Chinese version of Dragonball. Keep in mind, this movie is old. It was produced back in 1989. The movie is actually called Dragon Ball: The Magic Begins.

It is very hard to find this movie avaliable for download due the age of the film and most of the time, the link becomes inactive so I found it on Youtube. There are nine parts to this movie on youtube and to view the subtitles, you have to turn on the close captioning. I only included the first part because I wasn't so sure if it is allowed to link the entire movie in a thread. Regardless though, just following this one movie should lead you to the other parts.


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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   18th October 2011, 12:51 pm

Speaking of, i wonder if this is the version before the one with added special effects. My bf was able to find a torrent of the movie with the added in stuff. Lol i can't wait to watch it.

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   19th October 2011, 12:22 am

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DBZ saw a reduction in quality in all things that made the show, and manga great, AFTER the Cell Games arc. The entire Buu Saga felt like it was hitting 100mph but it was in neutral the entire time. And the retroactive character and plot flip flops didn't help.

Gohan beat Cell so the stories now will be about him... JK
Goku is back but he's dead, but he's got SSJ3...which never wins a fight
Vegeta who swore off fighting is fighting again.
Goten and Trunks are gonna defeat Buu the pinky bubble gum monster, as a fused entity with no eyebrows and long hair.
Wait. JK Gohan is back and it the most power Z warrior in history!!! Who just got beat up and absorbed by Buu then rescued by his father...again.

That's just a sample of DBZ's twilight hours but you get the feeling that Toriyama had no idea what he wanted to do as he wrote this saga when you either read or watch it.

OK OK OK. OMG. I think what pissed me off the most was that I would have loved to see Gohan become more of the main character. He is the most freakin powerful warrior EVER. IF HE TURNS SUPER SAIYAN HE WILL BLOW UP A PLANET OR SOMETHING AND THEN AND THEN LIKE ONE OR TWO EPISODES OF HIM BEING A BADASS AND THEN BAM BUU ABSORBS HIM. I WAS SO PISSED. I called SO MUCH BS on that stuff. SRSLY. THE F***.

SRSLY. GUYS. SRSLY.


ok i'm done rant over. >.>

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   19th October 2011, 6:39 am

Brit-chan, I <3 you.

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   19th October 2011, 7:32 am

I will rant about this as soon as I get to that part of the series. My bf and I are re-watching DBZ and neither of us have watched the entirety of the series. I've watched through the end of the Cell Saga and he watched through the end of the Ginyuu saga. I do know about the ending of the series, however. I would have loved to have seen the series eventually revolve around Gohan.

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   19th October 2011, 8:35 am

Oh my God! It's been such a while I didn't watch DGZ! This discussion makes me wanna watch it again! Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   19th October 2011, 9:27 pm

I just finished watching all the Buu saga. I had never finished it. It makes me wonder what my reaction would have been back in the day.

BUT STILL GOKU IS ALL LIKE "F YOU GUYS I'M BORED CAUSE I CAN'T FIGHT ANYONE SEE YOU LATER I'M TRAININ THIS KID".

TORIYAAMAAAAA!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   19th October 2011, 9:34 pm

I don't generally like to cherry pick sagas and arcs I don't like, but i can live without the Buu saga and all of GT.
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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   20th October 2011, 7:24 pm

This is random, but it made me giggle.

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   21st October 2011, 10:42 am

hahaha love it.

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   21st October 2011, 11:24 am

The Buu saga in general is rather stupid all except for the fact that Vegeta (at least to me) is at his best: both in character, drawing and VA.

GT? Pfssssh. No. What is that even?


Venus, I love that pic! Heehee. I love how Squishy Buu is the one who is all WTF?

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   12th November 2011, 5:38 pm

From what I understand, Toriyama was running thin on ideas by the Frieza Saga---if not earlier. And that becomes increasingly problematic as the power scaling gets out of control and rather soon even Krillin is capable of laying waste to entire planet yet is useless against the big bads. I can envision Toriyama setting up the fight on Namek as a possible ending for the series (the two most powerful beings in the universe---the tyrant Frieza and the legendary Super Saiyan Son Goku---are lost with an exploding planet after concluding a battle of galactic proportions). But as cool as the Android Saga and Cell Games were, things were becoming ridiculous even by Dragon Ball standards. Dr. Gero happened to make androids stronger than Super Saiyans by sheer projection? He went and turned the power dial up to 11 just to cover all his bases? As much as I love Dragon Ball, that was pretty silly. At least he went ahead and plucked ROBOTS FROM THE FUTURE WHO STEAL AMERICAN JOBS trope that then allowed Kenji Yamamoto to plagiarize music from Terminator Salvation among other things in Kai.

So it's quite possible that Toriyama had no idea what he was doing once Majin Buu appeared. GT, which is no direct fault of Toriyama, is effectively a farce that painfully reminds you of everything that had gone wrong by the end of Dragon Ball Z.

Remember when Super Saiyans were legendary? I sure don't. If you haven't achieved at least Super Saiyan, you're useless in the second half of Dragon Ball Z. When half the character roster is reduced to wallpaper whose sole purpose is to gasp in amazement when Goku achieves yet another form of power, your story has probably gone on one chapter too long.

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   12th November 2011, 6:12 pm

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Remember when Super Saiyans were legendary? I sure don't. If you haven't achieved at least Super Saiyan, you're useless in the second half of Dragon Ball Z. When half the character roster is reduced to wallpaper whose sole purpose is to gasp in amazement when Goku achieves yet another form of power, your story has probably gone on one chapter too long.

This on so many levels. I'm rewatching Dragonball and i joke and go "Remember when Roshi/Yamcha/anyone that's not a saiyan was badass?" I think I'm actually enjoying the original Dragonball a lot more right now. The main reason I love the Android and Cell Saga so much is because that is what was airing when I got into the show. I also really love Gohan so whenever he's a focus, I automatically like it. From what I understand, Gohan was really supposed to be the main character of the show after the Cell Games and Goku dies. It was pretty apparent up until Buu shows up and well kicks his ass quickly. As stated before, I was super P.O.ed when Gohan shows up again, as the most powerful fighter in the universe (turning SSJ would destroy a planet, he is so powerful) only to get jipped. Ugh. Toriyama. Poor Toriyama. He was probably getting pretty burnt out at that point in time anyway, but from what I understand, the DBZ ending was still somewhat unexpected at the time it happened in Japan.

I also think with Majin Buu, he was trying to get back to the sillyness of the original Dragonball. Because really, the first part of the Majin Buu saga was pretty awesome actually. I thought Buu was hilarious. When he builds a house out of people? I mean. He was such a fucked up villain in a happy awesome way. I think after that it kind of went downhillish for me.

But yeah, anyway, I can't really disagree with you on any of that here.

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   12th November 2011, 11:02 pm

Don't get me wrong: parts of the Buu Saga were still great. I loved seeing Vegito whale on Buu (though the anime filler adventure inside Buu's body was a bit much); seeing Vegeta and Goku at last team up properly was a long time coming. Likewise, the Cell Saga made Gohan pretty badass after he had spent a good deal of the series being limited to momentary outbursts of power before being sent to the sidelines. It's so hard to replace Goku, though, since Dragon Ball is his series. It would be akin to replacing Usagi with Chibiusa as the main character...

Wait.

SuperS jokes aside, Mystic Gohan was a weird point in the Buu Saga since they spend all that time hyping his power, and then he arrives on the scene and the battle quickly goes against him. You wonder why in the hell Toriyama really went through all of that when it amounted to little more than Buu getting even more ridiculously powerful.

Broly probably wins the award for most overpowered villain. A lot of fans drool over him, but I just find him to be a mindless tank without much beyond his ability to practically destroy a planet by sneezing. At least Frieza was eerily polite and Vegeta was a cocky bastard.

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   12th November 2011, 11:15 pm

People like Broly because he's an Evil Super Saiyan. Saiyans were not a noble race but all the protagonist SSJ's are have honorable qualities and good in a sense (including Vegeta). Broly represents the worst traits of the blood thirsty saiyan race.
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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   13th November 2011, 12:18 am

@Sailor Nemesis wrote:
People like Broly because he's an Evil Super Saiyan. Saiyans were not a noble race but all the protagonist SSJ's are have honorable qualities and good in a sense (including Vegeta). Broly represents the worst traits of the blood thirsty saiyan race.

He's still kind of boring. Frieza, Cell, and Buu are all way more dynamic villains and they are epitome of evil. I sometimes wish the series had ended at the Frieza saga though. Frieza was just a crazy villain. But then you think about how powerful the villains are after that... its crazy.


Oh and Mercury, I get what you are saying. I think the problem for me is that I started watching the show while Goku was kinda on the backburner (the android saga, where he was sick, etc.) so I've grown more attached to the other characters like Trunks and Gohan and not so much Goku.

however, I think watching the original Dragonball is going to help fix some of the perspective. I've never watched it all and I'm really thoroughly enjoying it. I love the theme songs, the animation, the humor, how freakin stupid Goku is. How adorable Bulma is as a young teen...same with Yamucha. XD

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   13th November 2011, 2:21 am

I feel Cell was the best place to end it. If you think about it, the Saiyan and Frieza sagas are really Goku and Vegeta's stories. The Android and Cell saga begins a passing of the torch to the next generation. You have the super cool Trunks from the future who is the LAST Z-senshi and is Vegeta's son. Like wth?! Gohan in the future trained Trunks, while the Gohan in the present succeeds his father and becomes the hero. Trunks saves his future and Gohan saves his present. Goku sacrifices his life for the planet, and Vegeta accepts that every challenge he had worth living for is gone, and gives up his warrior ways.

Plus i really like the androids, especially the twin terrors 17 and 18. Even though they are in competition with Star Maker for most epic forehead.
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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   13th November 2011, 7:14 am

During the Frieza saga, the fights are epic and they are so freakin' strong that the planet explodes! The Z Fighters only get stronger, but Earth never threatens to explode. Then again, I think Frieza was trying to blow up Namek/show how tough he is by destroying stuff.

Oh, and Bulma being turned into a frog? I have never laughed so much during a DBZ episode. That poor woman.

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PostSubject: Re: Dragonball General Discussion   17th November 2011, 1:49 pm

This made me giggle



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG_7WsgfMrw&feature=channel_video_title




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