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PostSubject: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   13th July 2014, 12:37 pm

So I am not sure if this makes any sense, but I wanted to put this out there.

In the manga, it is shown that once Usagi gains Serenity's memories, she becomes more similar to Serenity, for example when her hair grows out or when Ikuko says there is something different about her.  My theory is that eventually, she becomes more and more Serenity and less of Usagi as time goes on.

By the time she becomes Queen, she takes on the name Serenity because that is who she feels she is at that point.  Same goes for Endymion.  This would also explain why NQS was no longer able to transform.  Serenity was never meant to be a senshi, only Usagi was.

At the same time, NQS remembered being Usagi and missed it.  That is why she named her daughter Usagi and why she sent her to back in time to train.  The "important friendships" Chibiusa needed was not just Hotaru but also Usagi.  NQS felt that Usagi would be a happier and better role model for Chibiusa.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   13th July 2014, 12:52 pm

I think that's a decent theory. Serenity is probably a blend of her old personas, but I still think there's some Usagi left in her. She has to put it aside to rule Crystal Tokyo, but when in private, I think she can still act as she did years ago.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   13th July 2014, 12:58 pm

i actually said this before, Usagi was never meant to be Sailor Moon because luna missunderstood her moon/royal powers with senshi powers.

Wait...i always thought Chibi-Usa's name was Serenity like her mom and grandmother...not Usagi...did i miss something? o_o

Note: i know in the manga when she fell on top of usagi she said her name was usagi too but i thought that was because she kind of knew more about her mother's past o.o not because that was her real name D:

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   13th July 2014, 1:05 pm

I really love that theory, although I'm also sad to think about Usagi losing herself. To be honest I like seeing each incarnation as its own thing, so no matter how much of Serenity might influence Usagi, she is and always will be Usagi at heart.

I actually quite like the birth of Sailor Moon as something that was born out of Princess Serenity's wish to fight alongside her guardians instead of just being the helpless protected princess. Maybe it was that wish that the ginzuishou recognized and so Sailor Moon was born.

Chibiusa's full name is Usagi Small Lady Serenity. So both Usagi and Serenity are her names.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   13th July 2014, 1:38 pm

I mostly agree with this idea. Each life Usagi had is their own distinct person. After all, a person is not just what they inherit from their parents, but how those things interact with the world they grow up in, the people they are raised by, the times and events they live in and experience. So the girl that was Princess Serenity was definitely a different person than Usagi Tsukino, though how may be a matter of debate.

If Usagi got all those old memories back, it would definitely be strange. And I think Usagi may already think of herself as separate in her mind from Sailor Moon. Though as for her not transforming in Crystal Tokyo, I sort of presumed that was because she was utilizing too much of the Silver Crystal's power to do so.

And I admit I cringe a bit at Chibiusa's full name. Don't get me wrong. I understand naming her after her mother. I do. A friend of my mom's did that (sort of, slight name variation). I would get if "Serenity" was a reference to Chibiusa's grandmother.

But "Usagi Small Lady Serenity Tsukino? Who uses "Small Lady" as part of their kid's actual legal name? I mean really? I thought it was just a cute nickname, and it would work like that. But as part of her name on paper... no offense, but it's the sort of thing that I would normally say "Are you TRYING to get your kid picked on at the playground?" to.
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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   13th July 2014, 2:50 pm

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Chibiusa's full name is Usagi Small Lady Serenity. So both Usagi and Serenity are her names.

What...

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But "Usagi Small Lady Serenity Tsukino? Who uses "Small Lady" as part of their kid's actual legal name? I mean really? I thought it was just a cute nickname, and it would work like that. But as part of her name on paper... no offense, but it's the sort of thing that I would normally say "Are you TRYING to get your kid picked on at the playground?" to.

Agree and i also understood that Small Lady was a nickname by her parents...not part of her name...


Did Naoko ever made this clear, the name of the child? ._.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   13th July 2014, 3:03 pm

I think the name Small Lady should be in quotes like you do with nicknames with people.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   13th July 2014, 3:57 pm

Haine wrote:
Sailor Mercury wrote:
Chibiusa's full name is Usagi Small Lady Serenity. So both Usagi and Serenity are her names.

What...

@Phantom53 wrote:
But "Usagi Small Lady Serenity Tsukino? Who uses "Small Lady" as part of their kid's actual legal name? I mean really? I thought it was just a cute nickname, and it would work like that. But as part of her name on paper... no offense, but it's the sort of thing that I would normally say "Are you TRYING to get your kid picked on at the playground?" to.

Agree and i also understood that Small Lady was a nickname by her parents...not part of her name...


Did Naoko ever made this clear, the name of the child? ._.

The way it's printed, I think it WAS supposed to be her actual name. But for her sake, I overlook it. I mean I know Usagi can be a bit of a flake at times, but I prefer to think she wasn't like that when naming her firstborn.


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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   13th July 2014, 4:29 pm

I hate Chibiusa's name.  I understand that Naoko wanted to be punny with Chibiusa, but come on! That's just lazy writing in my opinion. I also I never liked the idea of parents naming their kids after themselves. I get grandparents or other relatives because that's showing respect to a family member. 


I like your theory by the way. Out of the versions of Usagi. NQS is my least favorite. She's not Usagi anymore which breaks my heart.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   13th July 2014, 10:37 pm

It wasn't made clear whether it was a nickname or part of her entire name. Her name could have just been Usagi Serenity (+ whatever last name she uses in Crystal Tokyo).

I think NQS is definitely still Usagi though. We see in the anime that the letters she sent along with Chibiusa still don't have kanji, for example, and she doodled things on it. The senshi commented on it specifically saying that Usagi never changed. I don't think we got any of that in the manga, however.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   13th July 2014, 10:51 pm

I think Neo-queen Serenity's note existed in the manga too, if I'm remembering right.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   14th July 2014, 5:46 am

I forgot about that. I think it was in the manga now that I think ofit.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   14th July 2014, 7:12 pm

Usagi never turned fully into Serenity, because Usagi is a totally different person, even if she remembers her past, she is another person. that's what i always thought :3

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   21st July 2014, 3:43 pm

Haine wrote:
i actually said this before, Usagi was never meant to be Sailor Moon because luna missunderstood her moon/royal powers with senshi powers.

Oh man, that opens up so many cans of worms in my brain... but I've had similar thoughts. During the Silver Millennium, we never see Serenity as Sailormoon, and she never fought in the manga or the anime (iirc).

Off topic.. but do we ever see Serenity in anything BUT her gown? I know in the anime, in ep 66 Chibiusa has a memory of walking with her parents, and we see NQS in something other than her typical gown... (I played with the colors and contrast to make her outfit easier to see)



But do we ever see Princess Serenity in anything but her gown? In either the manga or anime? That question's just one of the ones I've always had. (I mean, does she keep 20 copies of the same gown in her wardrobe.. certainly even Princesses of the Moon need to do laundry...) IRL that gown would be a nightmare to wear all the time, so much white.. one little stain and it's RUINED, turn a corner, catch a snag and rip part of it and it's RUINED.  
 

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   21st July 2014, 3:51 pm

I'm sure they had different gowns and the one we see all the time might be her formal gown? Plus it's easier to draw/animated the same clothes.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   21st July 2014, 4:18 pm

Yeah, that makes more sense. I really would have loved to see the other outfits Serenity probably had.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   20th August 2015, 11:39 am

I've always been under the impression that Usagi and Serenity had pretty similar personalities, (except Serenity would be a more graceful and ladylike than Usagi for the most part because of the whole princess thing) and Usagi after the Dark Kingdom/Classic arc is the person that Serenity would have become if she hadn't died/comitted suicide.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   5th December 2015, 1:07 am

Personally i really don't like this theory because to me Usagi and Serenity have very different personalities. Usagi is carefree, lazy, fun loving and goofy while Serenity is more regel, graceful, and in PGSM psychotic. It makes sense though Sad

Also, has anybody noticed how after Usagi's awakening her hair is drawn way more wavy and curly? Just a thought.

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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   8th December 2015, 8:22 pm

I agree with that.   In the manga, NQS is a lot more "serious"  I guess you could say.  However, in the 90s anime, I remember Diana telling her mother Luna, that the queen and king would "pretend" to be sick to get out of events.  I guess in the anime, Serenity still retains the qualities she had as Usagi.
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PostSubject: Re: [Theory] Usagi and Serenity   4th January 2016, 8:43 am

here's what i think after thinking it over some.

usagi and serenity are 2 different people.

usagi is just your normal tokyo teen who just happens to have the soul of a long dead moon princess in side her. sailor moon is the "middle" ground between the 2. usagi as i said is a normal teen she doesn't want to fight evil or anything like that, while serenity wants to make up for the past in away. but when we finally learn that the moon princess was sailor moon the whole time [if you think about it usagi was never the princess in a way, sailor moon was]. anyway as the series went on usagi/sailor moon/serenity all learned to balance each other. then by crystal tokyo they came to realize sailor moon was no longer needed so the ability was most likely dropped as serenity had "made up for the past". its also the other way around now, you have serenity living with usagi's soul in her, but they can work in a way that both are needed.

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