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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   31st August 2014, 11:26 pm

I can also still see them putting their own spin on the Silver Millennium backstory and expanding on their past and it does seem like they may do some of that if the Moon Pride music video is any indication of what they'll do.  At least I don't remember all the stuff in the Moon Pride music video being in the manga.
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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   1st September 2014, 12:44 pm

The confirmation of two arcs in Crystal was a serious blow for me, but there was never an official statement that it would be just Dark Kingdom.
Now, the biggest attraction are Generals, as the only suprise left.

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   2nd September 2014, 4:39 pm

I wouldn't say that Crystal has become a complete disappointment for me but it is disappointing and the lack if care isn't really helping me believe that this isn't some quick cash grab. It would be interesting to find out what happen during those two years of supposed "production".

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   2nd September 2014, 5:01 pm

I think its safe to say there was no production in the 2 years since they originally announced the new anime.

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   2nd September 2014, 5:03 pm

Yah, that's becoming more and more obviously to the point where it's becoming painful.

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   2nd September 2014, 8:29 pm

This isn't unique to Crystal.  Anime studios in general tend to wait to the last minute to produce the animation.  It would be unusual if they had in fact spent that time working on the animation.   One positive about them adapting Black Moon is we'll finally get Mamoru not being a jerk in the new series.
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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   2nd September 2014, 9:47 pm

Shouldn't Crystal be an exception though? Sailor Moon is a huge brand and they are aware just how big it is by using statements such as "Sailor Moon has touched girls around the world", etc, etc. They had two years to work on the anime yet there doesn't seem to be any evidence that they actually did anything. 

I'll watch Crystal until the end but at this point I'm afraid I'm just can't listen to other's justifications for Crystal's flaws anymore. If you don't see any or they don't bother you that's great! But unfortunately they bother me to the point that I am beginning to view the show as an overall disappointment. Crystal just seems like a "you get what you pay for" type deal to me and since we aren't paying anything I guess Toei feels like they can give us anything even if the quality is lacking. Sailorfailures hit the mark when they said that Toei was the EA of anime. This whole situation reminds me of how EA handle The Sims 4.

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   2nd September 2014, 9:59 pm

Thing is wasn't it suppose to come out 2 years ago but then got pushed back a few months before it was suppose to be released? Realistically some of the episodes should have been done by that point already. >.>

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   4th September 2014, 6:11 pm

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Shouldn't Crystal be an exception though? Sailor Moon is a huge brand and they are aware just how big it is by using statements such as "Sailor Moon has touched girls around the world", etc, etc. They had two years to work on the anime yet there doesn't seem to be any evidence that they actually did anything.
Why would it be different just because Sailor Moon has been such a popular anime?  Anime in general take up a year or longer to make but it doesn't mean they're working on animation the entire time.  Studio Shaft started working on the Madoka TV series way back in 2009 while they were still working on Bakemonogatari and it didn't come out in Japan until 2011.  Toei first announced the new DBZ film Battle of Gods back in July 2012 and it didn't come out until March 2013 and it's just now coming out in America.  These type of long productions and delays happen all the time in anime and manga for various reasons.  The problem with Crystal's animation is not that they weren't working on it for two years but the animation has been outsourced to other countries where the animation quality is typically lower like China. 

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I'll watch Crystal until the end but at this point I'm afraid I'm just can't listen to other's justifications for Crystal's flaws anymore. If you don't see any or they don't bother you that's great! But unfortunately they bother me to the point that I am beginning to view the show as an overall disappointment. Crystal just seems like a "you get what you pay for" type deal to me and since we aren't paying anything I guess Toei feels like they can give us anything even if the quality is lacking. Sailorfailures hit the mark when they said that Toei was the EA of anime. This whole situation reminds me of how EA handle The Sims 4.
I don't understand people who keep watching a show they really don't like.  It's like how I always see people complaining on the Internet about how much they hate Michael Bay movies yet Ninja Turtles still turned out to be a big hit in the theaters.  Whereas if I really don't like something, I just don't watch it and move onto something else.   If you're still watching Crystal via the Hulu streams even if you don't actually like it, your viewership there will still be counted by Toei as a hit even if you're just hate watching it.
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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   4th September 2014, 6:18 pm

To be fair most people who see Michael Bay movies are general movie goers that will watch anything that Hollywood puts out. Some people just like to go to the movies. Plus I bet a lot parents took their kids to see it. 

It's possible that people are watching Crystal to the end hoping something interesting will happen. It's kind of the reason why I'm watching it. Hoping that something grand will happen.

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   4th September 2014, 6:25 pm

I don't think Hulu really means much to Toei. Maybe to Viz, since they will be releasing Crystal in the US, but definitely not to Toei. Pretty sure Toei and the majority of other animation studios in Japan and well the Japanese entertainment industry as a whole doesn't give a flying moonturd on what anyone outside of Japan thinks.

Its perfectly fine to watch Crystal and be critical of it. I don't hate it. But I'm with Yunie and can't really listen to other's justifications. Pretty sure Yunie didn't say she hated it either, just disappointed, which is how I feel. I'm still watching it because its Sailor Moon and I love Sailor Moon enough that Crystal is enjoyable just for that fact. But there isn't really anything that can justify for its massive failures.

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   4th September 2014, 6:32 pm

I think what a lot of people are confusing with hate is actually people just being incredibly disappointed in Crystal. I know I am, in terms of Animation.

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   4th September 2014, 6:36 pm

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I don't think Hulu really means much to Toei. Maybe to Viz, since they will be releasing Crystal in the US, but definitely not to Toei. Pretty sure Toei and the majority of other animation studios in Japan and well the Japanese entertainment industry as a whole doesn't give a flying moonturd on what anyone outside of Japan thinks.

Its perfectly fine to watch Crystal and be critical of it. I don't hate it. But I'm with Yunie and can't really listen to other's justifications.  Pretty sure Yunie didn't say she hated it either, just disappointed, which is how I feel. I'm still watching it because its Sailor Moon and I love Sailor Moon enough that Crystal is enjoyable just for that fact. But there isn't really anything that can justify for its massive failures.

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   4th September 2014, 9:01 pm

I have nothing against people who are disappointed in Crystal but I feel like if you want others to listen to your opinion about it you should be open to theirs.  At the very least you should listen to prevent the spread of misinformation.  Whatever you think about the quality of Crystal, it has nothing to do with the two year delay.  The animation quality's problems are because of the studio outsourcing the animation work instead of doing it in Japan.
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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   4th September 2014, 9:19 pm

It feels like the animation was done in a rush. What I want to know is, it was pushed back two years, was it worked on during that period, cause it sure doesn't feel like it.

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   4th September 2014, 9:22 pm

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I have nothing against people who are disappointed in Crystal but I feel like if you want others to listen to your opinion about it you should be open to theirs.  At the very least you should listen to prevent the spread of misinformation.  Whatever you think about the quality of Crystal, it has nothing to do with the two year delay.  The animation quality's problems are because of the studio outsourcing the animation work instead of doing it in Japan.

I'll listen to your opinion, but I'm finding it hard to change mine. I have yet to see an argument where I can be like "ok yeah i can get on that." Sorry. :/

And I don't think it has to do with the two year delay, pretty sure that was tie ups with other things. They obviously started the animation this year. Probably not long after they announced the director and all that.

And as much as I'm not fond of the animation, thats not the reason I'm disappointed in Crystal. But it sure doesn't help.

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   4th September 2014, 9:59 pm

I think for people who have read the manga, they have reasons to be disappointed. So far, I'm ok with the plot and such.

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   5th September 2014, 12:31 pm

Usually with anime they produce the show while it's running which is dumb in my opinion. I am all open for other's opinions. I am happy that fans are in love with Crystal. As for me I don't love it. I was expecting better storytelling since it was aim toward young adults. As for animation I could careless about it, but bad animation can annoy me. What annoys annoys me about the animation is that the characters barely move. There should be more movement so the characters can emote better. Even though the oringal anime had some wonky animation at least the characters were expressive with their body language.

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   5th September 2014, 1:30 pm

Interesting review of Crystal: 
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/sailor-moon-crystal/episodes-1-4/.77932
I recommend also comments to that article.
The episodes are produced recently - remember that preview for ep. 4 was reused material, and ep. 3 and 5 mostly transformations? Whatever happened during the delays, they didn't produce.
I am another one disappointed in Crystal - 2 arcs in season was serious blow. Especially after this long wait.

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   5th September 2014, 4:10 pm

I'm just happy to have a new Sailor Moon. I'm just happy it didn't get canceled. I can't wait to see Mako!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   5th September 2014, 5:06 pm

I am looking forward to Mako too. I like how she looked in the preview (regardless of the reused stuff for the preview and my general "meh" feeling for the character animation).

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   5th September 2014, 5:12 pm

Out of the five girls I think Mako looks the best.

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   5th September 2014, 7:47 pm

I agree with you about Mako-P looking the best. We haven't seen much of Minako yet though. Honestly I think Minako's CGI looks the best. At least that's the impression I got from the Moon Pride PV

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   5th September 2014, 9:44 pm

I'm looking forward to Makoto's episode a lot too.  Especially since the original anime left out so much of Makoto's backstory.  I'll be curious to see how Crystal will handle the stuff about Makoto's parents etc.  It also looks like we'll be getting Flower Hurricane as her attack if the PV is any indication.
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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   5th September 2014, 9:54 pm

Oh good point! I do look forward to seeing Flower Hurricane.

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   12th September 2014, 8:07 pm

Well,i'm glad they're doing the Black Moon arc in Crystal.I'm hoping the SenshixShitennou couples will be in the Silver Millenium flashbacks

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   13th September 2014, 10:59 pm

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Before I was okay with Crystal but now I'm officially disappointed. In this interview from the new SMC artbook the guy says that "the number of episodes will also follow the original work" basically confirming that the Dark Kingdom Arc will be 13 episodes and the rest has to be the Black Moon Clan arc. Also it seems like the only "new" content is stuff between the senshi and the generals which I find incredibly disappointing. Like out of all the new stuff you can do...they choose to only do something around that? I'm going to watch it until the end but this is really disappointing.
Ok, if they do the Black Moon arc I am going to be SO happy!  My favorite character is in that arc, and I was very disappointed that PGSM stopped after the Beryl arc.  I was looking forward to seeing how they handled Beruche and the other sisters.  I'd love to see them done in the new anime!

Also, random thing, but does anybody else think Umino is just the cutest thing ever in Crystal?  He hasn't had a lot of screen time but the bits he has had he's just been too cute!  I always liked him well enough in the original, but I like him so much more in this version.
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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   14th September 2014, 3:17 am

Yes,Umino is really funny in Crystal.The reason why i like the Black Moon arc is because my favourite character is in that arc (too bad he was killed)

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   14th September 2014, 7:06 am

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Yunie wrote:
Before I was okay with Crystal but now I'm officially disappointed. In this interview from the new SMC artbook the guy says that "the number of episodes will also follow the original work" basically confirming that the Dark Kingdom Arc will be 13 episodes and the rest has to be the Black Moon Clan arc. Also it seems like the only "new" content is stuff between the senshi and the generals which I find incredibly disappointing. Like out of all the new stuff you can do...they choose to only do something around that? I'm going to watch it until the end but this is really disappointing.
Ok, if they do the Black Moon arc I am going to be SO happy!  My favorite character is in that arc, and I was very disappointed that PGSM stopped after the Beryl arc.  I was looking forward to seeing how they handled Beruche and the other sisters.  I'd love to see them done in the new anime!

Also, random thing, but does anybody else think Umino is just the cutest thing ever in Crystal?  He hasn't had a lot of screen time but the bits he has had he's just been too cute!  I always liked him well enough in the original, but I like him so much more in this version.
I happy that you are happy! I do like the BMC (The scene between Black Lady and Pluto is one of the scenes from the manga.) I was just really hoping for maybe an episode dedicated to the Silver Mil. and a chance to flesh things out a bit. But we will get some flashbacks that hopefully be nice! I've kinda shaken off my disappointment and I'm excited to see what Chibiusa will look like in Crystal's style.

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   14th September 2014, 7:14 am

Everyone has pretty much summed up how I feel about the upcoming news of the Black Moon arc

I have a feeling Demande is gonna make me melt into a puddle in Crystal's style uhhhggg Mamo is proof enough of that. Only the power of the Moon can save my computer screen from my face rubbing against it when that episode premiers. / =w= \

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