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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   6th November 2014, 7:10 pm

I argue that SuperS is bad. You see it more when you're older. The main dark aspect of SuperS is violation. The Amazon Trio are compared to rapists for example. It has been brought to my attention that there's innapropriate parts with Helios. But SuperS has its own dark moments for sure.

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   8th November 2014, 8:48 pm

I tried doing a count of the filler ins myself to see how many SuperS had and it had about as many filler ins as the first season did which is around 16.   The big issue I see with SuperS is not that it has too many filler ins but it does a poor job of pacing the filler ins.  The first season had about the same amount but it paced them out around more story driven episodes whereas SuperS dumps all its filler ins at the beginning and then saves all the story driven episodes towards the end yet SuperS has about as much as Classic did.
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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   9th November 2014, 12:55 am

Not much even happened at the end? Nehelenia's battle was definitely much better handled in the extra arc in Stars. The stakes were higher and it felt more like a final battle. If I think about SuperS, all I can think of is anticlimactic...

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   16th November 2014, 11:19 pm

Understandable criticism. I have a soft spot for SuperS due to nostalgia's sake in the case that SuperS was my first introduction to Sailor Moon, and I liked a lot of the underlying themes, and the gorgeous animation sequences. But plot-wise, for the series, it doesn't really take it anywhere big.

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   16th November 2014, 11:26 pm

If you compare the anime to its source material, there is so much changed it might as well not even be "sailor moon" at all. It's like they didn't even bother with the elements and themes naoko wrote and just tossed them out the window.

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   30th December 2014, 3:31 pm

I didn't mind SuperS. It had very good filler episodes in my opinion, and the boring episodes were at least tolerable. But oh God, PallaPalla's voice annoys the snot out of me!

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   8th January 2015, 3:27 pm

What I personally dislike about SuperS is how it handled Usagi. She had grown a lot from the beginning of Classic up to the end of S, and then suddenly in SuperS she's back to being immature and having a bad relationship with Chibiusa. Usagi's entire existence that season feels more like a "gimmick", she's reduced to a parody of herself. And it doesn't help that she needs Chibi to summon Helios in order to be able to defeat the enemies.

What I do like about that season is the villains: the Amazon Trio and Amazoness Quartet. I think the Trio is my favorite group of "small" Sailor Moon villains, and it's cool that their circus world is so dark and creepy.

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   8th January 2015, 3:31 pm

It bothers me what they did to Usagi as well. I wish instead of calling Helios Moon and Chibi Moon attacked together.It really bothers to me no end that Chibi Moon does not progress as a Solider. I know her attempts at fighting is for comedy. However it made since in S not in SuperS. By then she should be at least decent at fighting.

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   8th January 2015, 3:52 pm

what really bothered me with this season is Usagi. She was making real strides, being less whiny, more mature and they just killed that.

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   8th January 2015, 9:00 pm

I like SuperS, though I need to go back and watch the subs because I have only seen the dub- but this season is flip-flop for me. There are some really good parts, but I agree that Chibi-Moon should have gotten stronger and while Usagi and Chibiusa still could have been immature with each other it could have been dialed down a bit- I mean it just got a bit excessive and is a strong reason for why I am not a huge Chibiusa fan. I do love her with Helios and I ship that all the way, I also wish we could have seen the Amazon Quartet become Human, and I wish the trio could have gotten a new shot at life, they realized they were wrong in the end, I just want a happy ending for everyone.



what I still dont get is where the heck was everyone when Usagi's dream mirror was shattered.

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   9th January 2015, 12:11 am

I think they changed Usagi's personality the way they did in SuperS because by that point, most of the fans who grew up with the series from the beginning were starting to get older and they wanted to bring in a younger new generation of fans, so they tried to de-emphasize Usagi's role as a leader in order to focus on Chibi-usa to appeal to kids who might relate to a younger protagonist more.
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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   9th January 2015, 7:35 am

@Neon Genesis wrote:
I think they changed Usagi's personality the way they did in SuperS because by that point, most of the fans who grew up with the series from the beginning were starting to get older and they wanted to bring in a younger new generation of fans, so they tried to de-emphasize Usagi's role as a leader in order to focus on Chibi-usa to appeal to kids who might relate to a younger protagonist more.

Yeah, I'm quite certain that's what happened. Problem is, they should have named the show "Sailor Chibi Moon SuperS" if they wanted to push Sailor Moon to the side and turn her into cardboard Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   9th January 2015, 8:19 am

Yeah SuperS's main focus was the children audience. Plus Chibiusa is popular in Japan. It's sad really. While I do enjoy SuperS I wish it kept the family audience. The anime has something for everyone. So seeing Moon pushed to side is sad. I really liked Usagi in S and Stars.

It's funny in Stars Usagi switched back to her S personality and continued to mature again. Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   9th January 2015, 11:36 am

I noticed that watching a few episodes of Stars with you guys. It really bugs me when people mess around with characterization like that.

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   10th January 2015, 7:24 pm

@Goddess Yami wrote:
Yeah SuperS's main focus was the children audience. Plus Chibiusa is popular in Japan. It's sad really. While I do enjoy SuperS I wish it kept the family audience. The anime has something for everyone. So seeing Moon pushed to side is sad. I really liked Usagi in S and Stars.

It's funny in Stars Usagi switched back to her S personality and continued to mature again. Razz
Better yet, they should have done a serious adaptation of the Dream arc the first time around and make a Chibi Moon spin off show at the same time so then everyone would be happy.
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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   10th January 2015, 7:37 pm

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@Goddess Yami wrote:
Yeah SuperS's main focus was the children audience. Plus Chibiusa is popular in Japan. It's sad really. While I do enjoy SuperS I wish it kept the family audience. The anime has something for everyone. So seeing Moon pushed to side is sad. I really liked Usagi in S and Stars.

It's funny in Stars Usagi switched back to her S personality and continued to mature again. Razz
Better yet, they should have done a serious adaptation of the Dream arc the first time around and make a Chibi Moon spin off show at the same time so then everyone would be happy.

I'm not sure at the time a spin off show would have worked all that well. At the end, having a spin off with Chibiusa being older with the Astroid senshi, that would work, but I don't think it would at the time.

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   8th August 2015, 9:39 pm

SuperS is my favourite season ;__; I just loved the vibe, and the focus on Chibiusa.
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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   9th August 2015, 12:22 am

Supers while not my least favorite it's pretty low n my lists of seasons to watch. I mean while I was disappointed to not see the outers my main problem was to me it just seemed to drag. But than I also get bored easily and it's hard to enjoy much of anything when I'm fighting to keep my eyes open because i'm getting really bored with the season. I usually end up skipping it during my re watches and coming back to it once I've watched the other seasons I really enjoy. However at the same time I wouldn't necessarily say it was a bad season. I did some what enjoy it for what it was (and I love Chibi Usa and Helios) but in all honesty it's likely my second least favorite season. but yea in all honesty my biggest problem with it was the fact that it never seemed to keep my attention for more than an episode or two before I have to take a short break from it (by short I usually need to go watch something else for a couple of weeks before I go back and watch the next two.) so yea other than that I did somewhat enjoy the season (even without the outers i was never much of an inners fan before SuperS)

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   9th August 2015, 8:11 am

I didn't like the Super S season. Part of it was I read the manga way before the anime came out with this season and I was expecting the anime to be more like the manga with this season at least- with the outer Sailor Senshi returning for that season and the Golden crystal in Darien instead of it being with Helios. Part of it is-even though the Inner senshi got upgraded, their attacks didn't show up until they learned them with something happening-like Amy meeting the musician. However, I did like when Serena took care of Fisheye not realizing that she was the enemy and that they got the dream mirrors. I also liked the Amazon Quartet-but I liked them at the end more than when they first showed up.
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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   11th August 2015, 11:04 am

I think SuperS was okay. It isn't my favourite season.... but, I really like how it matured Chibiusa's character and focused on her instead of the usual, central Usagi. Before, Chibiusa was just a pompous brat... but, in this season, you get to see how much she's grown and matured since R.

I liked the Amazon Trio. The Quartet was interesting... though, I do agree that I'm a little disappointed they didn't at least hint to be senshi in the end... but, they did leave it open ended, so that perhaps the Quartet could be discovered to be Chibiusa's guardain senshi in the future.

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   11th August 2015, 9:46 pm

Overall, it was good. But for me, the ending is the worst thing.

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   17th January 2016, 6:55 am

I'm on episode 131 and I THINK this is Super S? I'm confused because it looks like I have 2 more seasons of the show to watch. Is the last season the second part of Super S?

And I'm def not liking this season this much....though Chibi Usa has grown on me. The fillers are just silly and the enemy is boring and creepy. I enjoyed the Witches very much.
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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   17th January 2016, 7:16 am

SuperS consists of episode 128-166, so yes, you're in it.

The last season begins with a six episode arc that kind of continues on/ties up loose ends from SuperS because the finale of SuperS didn't actually wrap up anything (one of the reasons I found this season lacking).

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   17th January 2016, 7:23 am

Ohhhh gotcha. Thanks for the explanation. I can see why they did. It's just lacking a lot of heart and I think it's so creepy when they go look into everyone's dreams. But the episode with Usagi's mom did make me want lemon pie realllyyyyy bad. lol
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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   29th January 2016, 12:02 am

This arc is actually one of my favorite arcs, hence me asking relatives to buy me the DVDs when they first came out.  Chibi-usa somewhat grew on me because you could see how mellowed her chase of Mamoru becomes after meeting Helios.  And Helios is so handsome too.  I love this arc.
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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   25th March 2016, 6:06 pm

SuperS was a little too fluffy in comparison to S and Stars, which wasn't too off-putting for me but I can see how it would be for others. The filler was downright boring though surprisingly I personally even found Stars' filler to be even worse. 

However Chibiusa is easily one of my favourite characters in the series and I think this season really helped add to how I feel about her. I appreciate that in this season she's become just as mature as her (younger) mother, if not more so.

I don't think the animation stands out to me as the animation for S does (that vision Rei has of everything being destroyed still sticks with me) but the animation in SuperS was still loads better than that of R or Classic.

As for music, I can't stand Rashiku Ikimashou but Watashitachi ni Naritakute is absolutely gorgeous and one of my favourite SM songs. Unfortunately I don't remember much else in terms of BGM and such.

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   11th April 2016, 4:27 am

I loved the SuperS manga, but really wasn't a fan of the anime version (even though Chibiusa is my favorite). One of the things that bothered me was that they didn't have Chibimoon use the Moon Kaleidescape and attack with Moon at the same time, like she did in the manga. It's like they downgraded her fighting abilities to simply just summoning Helios. In S her attack was silly, but at least it was an attack. 

I also felt there were way too many fillers, and the storyline was too slow. And as much as I loved the Amazoness Quartet (and was sorely disappointed when they didn't become senshi like in the manga), I really missed the creepiness of Professor Tomoe and the Witches 5 (especially Kaolinite!). And of course, I missed the outer senshi.

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   12th April 2016, 7:35 am

It isn't, if that pleases the creator of this thread. Wink 

Anyways, it is my least favorite season, but I don't think it was bad, rather lacking a more serious storyline and development. I don't like Chibiusa either, but I still didn't mind it much that it was mostly focused on her. It's disliked mostly due it being almost all just fun and filler episodes, I guess, but some of them are fun to watch and seeing the girls enjoying their lives more than the other seasons when they find themselves in more serious situations, is always good. The final battle with Nehellenia is the best part of the season, though, it was done well and it did feel a bit dark. Oh, and the animation got very good in this season, too.
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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   12th April 2016, 7:47 am

In my opinion SuperS is one of the funniest seasons but it's really weak compared to the Dream arc of the manga. SuperS was the season that I watched the most casually since it provided me with humor and entertainment . . . but not much more. The villains were often hilarious and there was a lot of cute filler, but it definitely didn't do it's manga counterpart justice.

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PostSubject: Re: Was SuperS Really That Bad?   12th April 2016, 6:25 pm

Does SuperS really have more filler than the other seasons? I always felt it was about the same.

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