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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   27th January 2015, 9:58 am

I'm just suprised how easily criticism can turn into absolute disgust. If anything, sailor moon crystal has taught me that much.
I don't think the absolute disgust is necessary, ya know?

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   27th January 2015, 11:03 am

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You can find some of those screenshots here: http://oen-peice.tumblr.com/

But here's some of my favorites:

Wow, that's really horrible.  I only ever saw the first season of the One Piece anime and I don't remember those episodes being that bad.  It feels like modern Toei is completely different company than classic Toei.  Their shows in the 90s were actually pretty good from what I remember.  I used to think Studio Pierrot had the worst animation back then but now Pierrot looks a lot better than Toei.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   27th January 2015, 11:14 am

@Cosmos-Hime wrote:
I'm just suprised how easily criticism can turn into absolute disgust. If anything, sailor moon crystal has taught me that much.
I don't think the absolute disgust is necessary, ya know?
Hey now! No criticism of our negative attitude here! I can't be asked to think critically of my own opinion! In all seriousness though, I think disgust is appropriate in certain cases, most notably when people were happy to see the Shitennou(sp?) get more screen time and then were killed off unceremoniously. That was worthy of some disgust on their part.

@Neon Genesis wrote:
Wow, that's really horrible.  I only ever saw the first season of the One Piece anime and I don't remember those episodes being that bad.  It feels like modern Toei is completely different company than classic Toei.  Their shows in the 90s were actually pretty good from what I remember.  I used to think Studio Pierrot had the worst animation back then but now Pierrot looks a lot better than Toei.
From what I understand, the animation started to get bad around the Enies Lobby arc. Up until that point it was pretty good. That being said, go read the manga. It's a much more solid experience.

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   27th January 2015, 11:39 am

I had heard that the Crystal transformation music sounds an awful lot like the transformation music for PreCure Smile.  I had to check it out for myself to see if they were right or just exaggeration and they were totally right.  So apparently Crystal is just getting recycled music from the Pretty Cure series.  But I must say the Pretty Cure transformation scenes actually look pretty cool. Why can't Sailor Moon get this?  Here's the link

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   27th January 2015, 12:20 pm

Wow the transformation music sounds pretty much the same and the style of the transformations are very similar as well...the Precure one are just simply better overall. Smh. Toei should be ashamed.

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   27th January 2015, 12:25 pm

Yeah, this disappoints me a lot since the music was one of the things I consistently enjoyed about Crystal.  The PreCure Smile transformations look a lot better to me.  They have the perfect balance of 2D and CGI animation and the CGI doesn't feel overly intrusive or too flashy like it does with Crystal.  And the girls in PreCure actually all show distinct emotions in their facial expressions during the transformation scenes too.  I haven't seen PreCure since the original series and I saw a little bit of Heart Catch but I might check Smile out now.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   27th January 2015, 12:47 pm

You should watch Fresh Precure. It's a great series and the villains are fun! 

Suite Precure has the best transformations. They're actually inspired by Sailor Moon. The mascot cat from that season is voiced by Moon's VA. Sadly in Crystal it shows that she can't really change her voice range. Usagi and Hummy (the cat mascot) sound excatly the same. When I get home I can share links for Suite Precure.

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   27th January 2015, 2:00 pm



This is how Crystal's transformations should have been done. You can totally tell the transformation has been inspired by Sailor Moon. The ribbons and the music. The blend of GC and 2D look quite nice. Toei's GC has never been good in my opinion. They do all of their Precure endings since Fresh in GC. While they look odd to me at least these model look better than the models used in Crystal's GC. Some Examples:






I guess I'm just spoiled by Pixar Studios when it comes to things animated in CG.  

So yeah when Toei tries their stuff doesn't look bad. 

By the way you all should give Fresh Precure and Suite Precure a chance. Fresh Precure in my opinion is the best one. Sadly I need to finish both these series. XD

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   27th January 2015, 7:01 pm

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The mascot cat from that season is voiced by Moon's VA. Sadly in Crystal it shows that she can't really change her voice range. Usagi and Hummy (the cat mascot) sound excatly the same. When I get home I can share links for Suite Precure.

I haven't watched a lot of shows with Kotono's voice acting so maybe she just hasn't had a wide range of characters over the years but I'm pretty sure her voice for Misato from Neon Genesis Evangelion sounds nothing like Usagi. if you look at the characters shes played, its obvious its a trend that she tends to get Usagi like roles. Hence why those two characters don't have a huge difference in sound.

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   27th January 2015, 8:12 pm

Yeah Hummy is pretty much Usagi. But I feel like she should try to make them sound a bit different from each other. Maybe it has something to do with age, but Old!Usagi and Hummy sound different. When I watched Suite I didn't think about Usagi. When I watch Crystal, I think about Hummy.

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   27th January 2015, 9:21 pm

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I haven't watched a lot of shows with Kotono's voice acting so maybe she just hasn't had a wide range of characters over the years but I'm pretty sure her voice for Misato from Neon Genesis Evangelion sounds nothing like Usagi.  if you look at the characters shes played, its obvious its a trend that she tends to get Usagi like roles. Hence why those two characters don't have a huge difference in sound.
Kotono also does an amazing job as Juri in Utena and she sounds completely different as Gracia in the original FMA anime.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   4th February 2015, 11:49 am

I saw this last night and it really cracked me up. Thought I would share. Twisted Evil  


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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   28th April 2015, 12:33 am





Toei Animation is really the Dark Kingdom and SMC is their most evil plan!

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   28th April 2015, 12:43 am

When you think about it, Crystal really did not need to exist. We already had an amazing anime that i think is an improvement over the manga. The Viz dub is needed because Sailor Moon deserves a good english dub, but Crystal is really unnessicary. It's not like the manga was going anywhere for fans of it and i believe that each adaption of Sailor Moon should be its own thing. This is just a copy of the manga.

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   28th April 2015, 6:10 am

No you're right Crystal is a copy of the manga which is why I was disappointed with it. Then the first arc they try to do something new,but it back fired. Why? Because they were still trying to follow close to the manga.

What Crystal should have been:

An updated manga storyline. Fix plot holes!!!!
26 episodes per arc.
Keep the key moments from the manga.

That's it! Crystal could have been awesome, but Toei decided to managed it poorly.

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   28th April 2015, 8:22 am

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No you're right Crystal is a copy of the manga which is why I was disappointed with it. Then the first arc they try to do something new,but it back fired. Why? Because they were still trying to follow close to the manga.

What Crystal should have been:

An updated manga storyline.  Fix plot holes!!!!
26 episodes per arc.
Keep the key moments from the manga.

That's it! Crystal could have been awesome, but Toei decided to managed it poorly.


They should have handled it more like FMA brotherhood did. While it was closer to the manga, they did fix a lot of stuff and expand in certain areas.

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   28th April 2015, 9:06 am

FMA's manga was well written so it was easy to follow. Though I'm not sure what changes they made. I do know they skipped the mine chapter and even made a joke about it later on. I would have to read and watch the series at the same time.

As for Sailor Moon's manga it's too fast pace to fit into an anime in my opinion. Crystal could have easily expand it out,but keep the important moments.

Moon Arc:
keep the generals alive, but not make SxS canon. Instead leave subtle hints.
Expand Venus's role as a decoy. It urk me that in the manga she appears as the 'princess' then BAM Usagi is the shown to be the princess in the next chapter.
Expand the Silver Mill. Like for reals we could have gotten this! Why can't we have this?

Black Moon:
Kidnapping. The three kidnappings are all the same. They could have mixed it up.
Show tension. Show the girls struggle to fight as each senshi is kidnapped. Also show them tired from searching not playing games at an arcade.
Chibiusa. It annoys me that they waited so long to get answers from this girl. Yes she's a little girl, but people's lives are at stake!

Just ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Okay rant done.XD

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   16th June 2015, 2:28 pm

Here's my deal. I watched as much of Sailor Moon Crystal as I cared to, and wandered off. I thought that what I saw was okay. And that's the problem.

During the run up to and while SMC has been going on, I took the time to watch a few other shows. The first was Yamato 2199,  a remake of the beloved Space Battleship Yamato/Star Blazers, something which I had high expectations for, being a big fan of the original work. It was amazing, gave me everything I wanted out of it and a fair bit more. The second was the most recent shot at animating JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, the 2012 series and the followup, Stardust Crusaders. Despite not knowing much more about the property aside from the name and that it was popular, I went in, it was amazing, and made me an instant fan of the franchise, in part because of the obvious passion the staff had for the material. While I've been waiting for the final episodes of JJBA: Stardust Crusaders to come out, I also recently watched Clannad + Clannad After Story, basically on a whim to see what all the fuss was about. It turned out to be an astonishing experience, can't say enough good about it.

So, what happened is that you have these three shows, one of which was also a remake I had really high expectations for, and they all turned out great and made me love the medium like I haven't since Toonami was still afternoon-active. Sailor Moon Crystal should have been the fourth, but instead it was just okay.

I'm not angry, just disappointed.

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   16th June 2015, 6:03 pm

@KuroKari wrote:
I'm not angry, just disappointed.

That pretty much just sums up how I feel.

And you just reminded me how I need to watch Yamato and the new Jojo. I read te Jojo manga till around....chapter 500 or so I think. Since its a VERY long manga, but it sure is an intense and hella fun read.

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   1st July 2015, 11:06 pm

I watch SMC because it gives a different story that can make more sense to things that happened in the original anime, but I dislike it because it took out the day to day life of the Sailor Scouts and the comedy that I liked about the original anime. Plus there just rushing the story along with out a break between episodes with minor battles instead of boss battles every episode.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   7th July 2015, 6:45 pm



I made a thing. I finally, finally made it.

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   7th July 2015, 7:06 pm

ˆGo CJ! Nice, well put together video.

Regardless of whether the remaining manga arcs are adapted or not, my hope now is that at some point in the future, another reboot anime will be made with proper budget that does its own thing instead of remaking the original anime, manga, PGSM, or musicals. As the RP section shows, there's so many directions to take the source material and I'd like to see it expanded in other directions.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   7th July 2015, 7:35 pm

Nice video!

Yesterday I watched Dragon Ball Super and just laugh at how much better it was than Crystal. I think the part of the reason is Super is a continuation of the series while Crystal was a reboot. I would have been okay with a reboot of Sailor Moon if we didn't have the Myus and PGSM. At this point in the series  there is no reason to have a reboot. I'm all for bringing back shows from the 90s, but they need to be done right. 

CJ you're not the only one comparing animations to Crystal's. I find myself doing it all the time now. Before Crystal I really didn't care about the animation, but now I notice errors. Even in older animes.

If someone came to me asking which version of Sailor Moon they show view first. I would say read the manga and watch 90s anime. Maybe not at the same time, but both need to be viewed. The 90s is a bit scary because it's 200 episodes, but it's worth it. All person needs to do is take breaks between each seasons. 

What Sailor Moon needs is something new. Sailor Moon has a vast universe and it's a shame Naoko didn't go beyond the manga. I want a story about the Silver Millennium!!  

Generals may you RIP for your stupid death. At least you guys were given proper treatment in PGSM. 

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   7th July 2015, 7:42 pm

I'll just drop this here for the SMC Hate Train. This is what I think we all wish we could get.


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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   7th July 2015, 7:59 pm

^ That was super cute!

The one good thing Crystal has is good voice actors (minus Usagi's).

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   7th July 2015, 9:45 pm

CJ! I really enjoyedx your video. Also that video of the cast reading the manga was super cute OuterHarmonie. :3 I wish we had episodes like this. D:  I crave characterization and the girls interacting properly!

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   7th July 2015, 9:53 pm

Thanks, guys! A lot of hard work went into it so that means a lot.

I should clarify that although this is a negativity thread, I didn't make the video to shame or upset Crystal fans. I made it because these thoughts have been festering within me for a long time.

Thanks again for your awesome comments. I know I'll definitely be looking back on them when I inevitably get some hateful or misunderstanding comments in the future.

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   14th July 2015, 11:43 pm

I can put my feelings about Crystal very concisely: when it does things right, I'm too happy to hate it. when it does things wrong, I'm too disappointed to love it.

from what I understand, Toei made a lot of choices against Crystal having a big budget or being well made. they chose the director of One Piece which is already notoriously bad, the only put their third best Precure team on the SM project (REALLY?! for a GLOBAL phenomenon and its 20th anniversary?!) AND it wasn't broadcast on TV, but only webcast, which means no sponsors to expand the budget. I don't know WHY they made these decisions, but none of them make any sense to me.

I've wanted a manga faithful adaptation for YEARS, so this was a dream come true, but too good to be true. the animation quality is an embarrassment, yes, but for me I'm mostly disappointed by their divergences from the manga. it wouldn't be so bad if there was a REASON, but 9 times out of 10... there isn't. 

for example, keeping the Shitennou alive beyond their time from the manga would have been interesting, but in the end it was just used to give the Inners their own moment of angst - and I really mean "moment". there was no time taken to gauge their feelings after the fact or resolve anything.

I also am an animation student (but more specifically, I want to be a storyboarder, which is basically visualizing the script and plotting shots. I'm clarifying so the next complaints make sense). Naoko's panel flow was often not perfect, making reading difficult at times, but the content is usually beautiful and gives reasonably clear contextual meaning. 

nothing infuriates me more when a movement or action is animated badly (why did Moon's final healing escalation have that weird...movement...angles...UGH GROSS even classic made her do a beautiful perfect circle with that move!), or when they visually change the context of a pose (that infamous scene where Mamoru is kissing Usagi on the head reassuringly and holding her. in the manga, she's unresponsive and doesn't return either gesture. but in Crystal they make it look like she's pushing him away which makes it seem...a lot worse) 

and I agree about the episode with all the facial cuts and no movement. lazy, awkward, and WAY TOO MUCH.

I think the worst offense is where Sailor Moon is granted some power by NQS to bust out of Nemesis. to me, it feels like Sailor Moon is channeling NQS, or at the very least they see a glimpse of the queen she'll become, but Crystal made it outright possession and that...creeps me the hell out.

tbh I probably have a lot more complaints but I'd have to sit down and rewatch. I have a terrible memory and have only watched each episode once hahaha

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   15th July 2015, 5:46 am

^ Bless this post.

It's nice to hear from someone studying animation on these issues. Where did you get your information about the team Toei chose for the job? I'd love to use that in a future video or article of mine.

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PostSubject: Re: Discussion on dislike of SMC   15th July 2015, 10:52 pm

I'd have to ask my friends and/or dig around. i don't usually keep up on news about things, even things i'm really interested in because i'm more interested in enjoying it than knowing "behind the scenes" stuff.

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