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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   11th June 2016, 10:25 pm

Phew! I was gone a lot of the day while Sailor Popeye got to sit on his butt most of the day. xD Flat tire will not fix itself nor will clothes buy themselves either haha Soooo....I'm already confused and don't even know what to think cause its day one. I did some rereading on the various roles that could potentially be in this game and I think that helped clarify things a bit.

Anywhoo...I'm going to comment on some of the things I've read.

Sailor Zelda wrote:
And I still don't think we have a lot to go on. And if you really wanna know why I shouldn't be investigated, well, I'll just say I can investigate people as well, but I'm not the cop. So you may not want to let go of me yet. (I really hope I haven't dug myself into a hole with that statement.)

Well I don't think you've totally dug yourself into a hole buuut you could also easily be a mafia who has investigative powers...so it just makes you on the fence as being a trust worthy person or not. :/

Putting Kyra's Wordy Response behind a spoilerrr xD:
 

Yeah I don't think its really a framing move this early on? A lot of us have NEVER played with these kinds of roles before (me included) and might just be trying it out to see what happens and they could be on EITHER side doing that. Also omg kyra at your suggesting queen is already trying to throw us off. xD I wouldn't put it past her OR YOU for that matter to do something so sneaky.

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So who should we investigate tonight and why shouldn't it be you?

I will get to the first part of the question later, but I do want to comment on the second part - this phrasing is basically asking all of us to say why we are important, which could lead us to revealing or at least hinting at our roles, like Sailor Zelda did above. This is something that I would expect Mafia to do - ask everyone what makes them special, and kill off those who have really important roles (like with Zelda, she's kinda like the cop, and if someone happens to hint that they're the doctor, they could figure that out, too).

Yes, I agree. I can understand his method. Its a way to get people to talk and gauge their reactions but it feels like it could be a set up for failure for us townies. I'm sure he's betting on newer players to just spill the beans. If he were mafia, he'd be able to use that information to his advantage.


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Why should we investigate you? What person, other than yourself should be investigated and why?

Pluto pretty much said what I was thinking so no use in regurgitating it. Investigating anyone, including me, right now would help to prove their innocence and in future days, if they are targeted you'd be able to defend them and call out the people trying to take them out as most likely being mafia. I think it would be in our advantage to especially investigate players like Sailor Popeye, as he was the first one to start asking questions and get us talking and trying to get us to possibly reveal out roles as well, which would especially benefit the mafia.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   11th June 2016, 10:50 pm

Uranus's Post
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Pluto's response
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Puppy pointed out in his rules that the roles we know are more than likely not what he used, so that you can't do as much research, but will/might be guidelines for what we'll see.

I think that the Doublevoter, which the wiki says can do this: "A player may cast a single vote in thread, but control an invisible second vote via PM." I don't think that's exactly what we'll see, but it gives up an idea of what roll was possibly used.


As for the Swifty voting situation:

My thoughts on the possibilities:
1. Some one is making it look like I voted, or used a hidden vote.
2. Some one is looking to make us not look at swifty, meaning she could be a anti town/mafia and some one, or herself is using a vote to take suspicion off of her.
3. Some one randomly voted both names, or was forced to use both names, as in they don't have control over where their action lands.



@ Small Lady - Your point on Popeye being able to poke people into responses and eat us alive is a good thought, hence my hesitation in going into too much. Some information is good, such as if there is a lie detector, they will be able to catch people in a lie. But I think too much can paint dangerous targets.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   11th June 2016, 10:51 pm

-.- It ate my Uranus response - Essentially it's what I pointed out in my thoughts on what the vote on swifty could mean.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 12:18 am

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At the moment Cosmos has posted this:
Cosmos-Hime wrote:
So we've got actual game pieces, huh? This might be the more complicated mafia game's I've played. I'll re-read some of the content to get myself more comfortable while more deductions are made.

Which to me seems that she has read through the interactions between me and Popeye and chosen to ignore his posed question to EVERYONE.

At the moment, I think Cosmos is the most suspicious person of the three if only for being active and asking questions and saying they have re read but not answering a question that could give the town things to talk over in the coming day.
Which question didn't I answer?  Also, I did add to that post in another comment, since I made a massive typo and it would be in poor taste/against the rules to edit the post immediately after, as in only a few seconds after that post. I know zelda was confused about lynching, so I corrected her about that, and I also asked a question about roles.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 1:17 am

The question that Sailor Popeye posted not once but twice, and the one me and him had a whole dialog about and the question that everyone else has been answering.

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And I'm not saying you didn't ask the mod questions, answer etc or do thing, that's the opposite of what I'm saying, I was saying that your activity and posts prove you're reading the game and to me with not much to go one felt that we should have seen some response to the question and either answered it or have said something on it.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 2:31 am

K, so I'm finally all caught up. You guys were really active while I was asleep.

So on the vote against Swifty and someone potentially framing NQS... It kinda worked on me. I legitamely thought that it may have been Neo Queen that voted against Swifty, until it was pointed out that someone just attributed the vote to Neo Queen. So the fact that this Doublevoter (or whatever variation thereupon) can attribute votes to others is EXTREMELY dangerous. They are most likely either Mafia aligned, or worse, individually. However it seems they can do only one extra vote, unlike some version where they can go three or more. So that's something to go on. I have church and then a illy reunion so I likely won't be able to post until around 3-ish EST. I'll try to keep track of what's happening though.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 4:03 am

Sorry for not being able to post until now. You all are always active when I'm asleep.

Anyway, this is an interesting situation with all the hidden roles. I thought if we at least know what roles are in play we can try to deduce who's who but as it stands now anyone can say anything and probably get away with it.

The secret vote is interesting - either someone potentially stole NQS' vote and used it against swifty, or NQS herself used the vote secretly (an ability she has) and just pretends she has no idea what's going on to take the attention away from herself. But why would she (or anyone actually) target swifty? It seems like an odd choice, since we have some more vocal players who could be more dangerous in this game. Maybe it's just a random thing to see what would happen, or did someone find out something about swifty already?

As for the investigation question, I agree that this sounds like a suspicious move more than anything else, trying to lead people into admitting they have a certain role/more important than others. Zelda already sort of revealed something that could paint a target on her back. As such I won't be saying whether I should or should not be investigated - you can't really take my word for it anyway, so if you feel like investigating or not, I leave that up to you.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 5:36 am

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The secret vote is interesting - either someone potentially stole NQS' vote and used it against swifty, or NQS herself used the vote secretly (an ability she has) and just pretends she has no idea what's going on to take the attention away from herself. But why would she (or anyone actually) target swifty? It seems like an odd choice, since we have some more vocal players who could be more dangerous in this game. Maybe it's just a random thing to see what would happen, or did someone find out something about swifty already?

I think we should definitely keep in mind that NQS could be playing it off like she didn't cast her vote.

Also, just a quick request - can we all call Sailor Zelda by her full name instead of just Zelda? Because Zelda is a TLoZ character, I would like to avoid any confusion.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 6:51 am

Yeah, just call her Sailor Zelda. (But what rank would Zelda be, anyhow..? Mayor?)

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 7:06 am

It could also be that Queenie has that secret vote ability herself, used it and is now trying to claim that it someone else who used it in order to put suspicion off of herself and onto someone else. I'm just saying right now that it is a possibility and I'm not sure right now one way or the other how I feel about it and which way I'm leaning.
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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 8:37 am

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K, so I'm finally all caught up. You guys were really active while I was asleep.

So on the vote against Swifty and someone potentially framing NQS... It kinda worked on me. I legitamely thought that it may have been Neo Queen that voted against Swifty, until it was pointed out that someone just attributed the vote to Neo Queen. So the fact that this Doublevoter (or whatever variation thereupon) can attribute votes to others is EXTREMELY dangerous. They are most likely either Mafia aligned, or worse, individually. However it seems they can do only one extra vote, unlike some version where they can go three or more. So that's something to go on. I have church and then a illy reunion so I likely won't be able to post until around 3-ish EST. I'll try to keep track of what's happening though.

it could be like last game and the vote could be to see how people react to it.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 9:10 am

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it could be like last game and the vote could be to see how people react to it.
(Jk I have time between church and the family reunion so I can come in and say something.)

This is a distinct possibility. This idea made me immediately think of Sailor Uranus, but she doesn't seem like the kind of person to repeat that strategy twice. So it may be someone who was in the game with her before. It could also be there's a Mafia cop (a Mafia-aligned cop who receives info about a person's role) and Switfy is an important role, like a cop or doctor or something. That seems like a really, really stupid strategy to pull this early in the game, but the Mafia or whoever could have done something that stupid to throw us off and think they wouldn't do something that dumb, so obviously it's not them... You get what I mean?

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 9:27 am

Jesus xD You guys are seriously super active and I had a lot of reading to do when I logged in today xD First of all, I think I agree with Kyra's statement about biting off more than they can chew xD The whole aspect of this version of mafia is really fun and intriguing, but I don't know if I can keep up with all of it haha xD

Addelyn wrote:
It could also be that Queenie has that secret vote ability herself, used it and is now trying to claim that it someone else who used it in order to put suspicion off of herself and onto someone else.

A few other people brought this up, but Addy's was the first I found to quote xD I originally thought this myself. I hear Queenie can be quiet a Mafia player when she participates and can be a great ally or a great threat, kind of like Kyra is. I have never actually played a mafia game until now with her though, so while she might be capable of doing such things, I feel like maybe it's a bit farfetched? I mean it's definitely possible and not something to just cast aside and forget, but the game is so new and different than normal mafia that I would imagine she wouldn't of used her power so quickly on herself. If she did have this 'double vote' power, from reading the description, it sounds like they're able to cast a secret vote as well as an actual vote in the thread. But her name is not on the list anymore, which is obvious if you look between the original list with 0 votes and the new list with the vote for Swifty. Why give yourself away so fast if it would remove your name from the available to still vote list?

So another possibility given the last part of the above paragraph is that maybe Swifty has this doublevoter type ability? Her name is still on the list and we could easily overlook her, thinking she was the one being targeted and not her trying to make herself look innocent. I don't think anyone's brought up this possibility, or I missed it x.x But it is one. I don't think it's likely that this happened due to the fact that the game is new and kinda confusing enough and it takes a lot of prepared strategy and understanding of the given role to play it correctly. But I think it's more likely than Queenie being the double voter thing!

Sailor Popeye wrote:
Why should we investigate you? What person, other than yourself should be investigated and why?

To answer this question, you can if you want. I mean, like Mercury said, no one is going to believe anyone when they say they are innocent. As for who I think should be investigated, I'm not sure. I'd say people that are known to be big forces in Mafia. The ones that can be a really great ally and leader but also be a really terrible enemy if they're on Mafia. For this I mentioned Uranus and Queenie. Both made convincing sounding arguments as to why not to investigate them, but I mean anyone could say that really. I know Kyra is really great to have on your side, so it might be worth a looksie into her role just to see if she's with us townies or not. However, as others have mentioned Popeye is a bit suspicious as well for asking this question. It's a great question all in all, something to get conversation going since it is the first day phase and not much ever happens, but it does come across a bit scummy. If he is mafia and someone gave up what their role is, then that's a huge advantage for them. Small Lady and Pluto also are very good players and it could be good to know what side they're on. Just remember that there could be powers that show up as innocent/guilty when investigated when the person is actually the opposite, so be careful and take whatever answers you get with caution.

I think that's all I have to say for now xD I might of missed something, I'll have to re-read through the whole thread to make sure, but I think I got everything I wanted to say for now xD This game is sure to be interesting o.o *buckles in seat belt and grabs popcorn*

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 9:36 am

I find it more suspicious people aren't answering the question. Why in the world would you admit your role? Especially if you are a townie. The only people I can imagine having a problem answering this are mafia. Obviously they've come up with some sort of argument among themselves to not answer and all jumped on the bandwagon. I would bet my best fat cat on Small Lady being mafia. She has been acting completely different than how she acts when she is a townie (where she practically spams constantly). It looks like they either saw the trap or took the bait. Regardless, this was exactly the kind of responses I was expecting. I could care less about the content of your response, it was all about how you reacted to the question.

The vote manipulation is a red herring as far as I am concerned. There is nothing we can figure out about it and it's just to waste our time right now.

I should be investigated because if the mafia doesn't kill me tonight, as they likely will (unless they kill Sailor Zelda for the slip up), it's the only means of confirming I am a townie. Then we can get to the business eliminating them one by one. If not me then Uranus. I can never read Uranus and by default I would lynch her but at least we can investigate her and find out. She just always plays 100% scummy.

We need to start talking about who to lynch tonight. I'm thinking about Small Lady but I'm curious what the others are thinking.
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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 9:43 am

Sailor Pluto's Quote of Sailor Mercury's Quote:
 
Addelyn wrote:
It could also be that Queenie has that secret vote ability herself, used it and is now trying to claim that it someone else who used it in order to put suspicion off of herself and onto someone else. I'm just saying right now that it is a possibility and I'm not sure right now one way or the other how I feel about it and which way I'm leaning.
((pssst, you just said what pluto just agreed to what mercury had said which i also circular logicked the other day(but mercury said with so much more elegance XD); which is okay? But also kinda ¬¬? because restating/representing an idea that was already presented and agreed upon kinda makes it look like you want to take advantage of a good idea but repackage it so it looks like you came up with it(which could totally be true and you either didn't read the thread/didn't want to admit that others had the idea before you did within the thread, which is the whole point behind this "¬¬" in the first place) to people who haven't really taken the time to read all posts and only skim stuff. TLDR this reads like you're trying to reclaim an idea already presented and agreed to to make yourself look more important/potentially more innocent than quoting/agreeing to players who aren't paying really close attention.))

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it could be like last game and the vote could be to see how people react to it.
The difference being that last time the vote was public and thus able to be pulled apart to see who agreed with the voter and who was against it and who was too for or against that random vote and use that information later.  With this anonymous and potentially vote-stealing vote it is a lot less simple as there are now three or more variables involved:
1) Why Sailor Zelda? Is she Mafia with mafia attempting to make her look innocent? Is she mafia and a power role who somehow found out is trying to get them out without drawing attention to their double power role? Or is she townie with mafia looking for a quick kill? 
2) Why NQS's vote? Why not someone less vocal / less knowledgeable of the game, who would be less able to defend against a potential frame? Why not an easier target? Was she chosen by choice, or randomly, or by role specifications?
3) Who had this ability and can/will they use it again? If they use it again and pin it on NQS again is it a frame up or is it only meant to look like a frame up? Will they believe we will eventually lynch NQS and take the bait, or is NQS banking on how we won't do that because it looks like a frame? 

At this point all I'm coming up with is questions only that voter knows the answer to ¬.¬

THREE MORE RESPONSES WHILE I WAS WRITING THIS?! Okay posting this now then will read those posts so this doens't potentially turn monster post.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 9:44 am

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So another possibility given the last part of the above paragraph is that maybe Swifty has this doublevoter type ability? Her name is still on the list and we could easily overlook her, thinking she was the one being targeted and not her trying to make herself look innocent. I don't think anyone's brought up this possibility, or I missed it x.x But it is one. I don't think it's likely that this happened due to the fact that the game is new and kinda confusing enough and it takes a lot of prepared strategy and understanding of the given role to play it correctly. But I think it's more likely than Queenie being the double voter thing!

I considered this as well. She may have voted for herself to throw us all off. And I just thought of something too: if Neo Queen Serenty had voted for herself, wouldn't her name still be on the list because she's a double voter? It may not be working that way but that's also a possibility.


Editing for what Popeye said: We shouldn't go for Uranus just yet I think. I think we should watch her and see what happens. On voting for Small Lady, yeah, she hasn't been posting too much, but nothing about her is really screaming "MAFIOSI" at me yet. And then there's you. While asking people to say why they should or shouldn't be investigated is weird, I'm thinking you just did it to get discussion going. You seem like the kind of player that would do that. There are a few people who have hardly said anything yet (in fact J don't Jupiter Rose has said anything past check in) so we'd best wait for some others to say things.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 9:50 am

Well I know activity isn't much of an excuse but I really wasn't home much of yesterday...AND Popeye knows that. Also tbh this game is so different I legitimately am not even sure how to go about playing this round.

However, I agree with Popeye about the red herring. The vote thing is just someone using their role powers to possibly throw us off. Could be a mafia role, could be a townie role but we don't and won't know who and its pointless to keep talking about it. Cause I don't think it's going to get us anywhere. :/

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 10:25 am

The Second Vote Count: 

Neo Queen Serenity (1)
Cosmos-Hime (0)
sportsnutd (0)
Sailor Mercury (0)  
Sailor Zelda (0)
Diana (0)
Sailor Pluto (0)
Small Lady (0)
Sailor Popeye (0)
Sailor Uranus (0)
Touka (0)
Jupiter Rose (0)  
Sailor Swifty (0)
Addelyn (0)

Not Voting (13)
: Cosmos-Hime, sportsnutd, Sailor Mercury, Sailor Zelda, Diana, Sailor Pluto, Small Lady, Sailor Popeye, Sailor Uranus, Touka, Jupiter Rose, Sailor Swifty, Addelyn

Votes required to lynch: 8


Current Deadline: Monday 13 June, 2016 @ Noon (1200pm EST)
Time to deadline: 22 hours 30min

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 10:31 am

Wait so now they changed it to Queenie? xD This is so confusing haha Did someone just make Queenie vote to lynch herself? xD

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 10:35 am

So who should we investigate tonight and why shouldn't it be you? Was the question asked by sailor Popeye and i am willing to answer it.


It shouldn't be me because i am 100% Townie/good person and I also don't think we should vote someone off this early since after reading posts there is not much to go off of and I don't feel like jumping to conclusions about things on the first day. Also though its not proof of a persons role or if there mafia or not but we still have some quiet people (i think but obviously their is RL stuff as always too)

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 10:38 am

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 10:41 am

Diana wrote:
A few other people brought this up, but Addy's was the first I found to quote xD I originally thought this myself. I hear Queenie can be quiet a Mafia player when she participates and can be a great ally or a great threat, kind of like Kyra is. I have never actually played a mafia game until now with her though, so while she might be capable of doing such things, I feel like maybe it's a bit farfetched? I mean it's definitely possible and not something to just cast aside and forget, but the game is so new and different than normal mafia that I would imagine she wouldn't of used her power so quickly on herself. If she did have this 'double vote' power, from reading the description, it sounds like they're able to cast a secret vote as well as an actual vote in the thread. But her name is not on the list anymore, which is obvious if you look between the original list with 0 votes and the new list with the vote for Swifty. Why give yourself away so fast if it would remove your name from the available to still vote list?

So another possibility given the last part of the above paragraph is that maybe Swifty has this doublevoter type ability? Her name is still on the list and we could easily overlook her, thinking she was the one being targeted and not her trying to make herself look innocent. I don't think anyone's brought up this possibility, or I missed it x.x But it is one. I don't think it's likely that this happened due to the fact that the game is new and kinda confusing enough and it takes a lot of prepared strategy and understanding of the given role to play it correctly. But I think it's more likely than Queenie being the double voter thing!
^ These are really good thoughts about the mystery vote XD But, see, I don't know - like if I had this power and I were mafia, I probably would start out by using it on myself in some way simply because people would think like you have outlined - that I would save that strategy of voting for / framing myself for later in the game, thus I would chance using it first round and potentially clear myself in the beginning because I would bet that no one would want to risk voting on me the first round -- I mean we're seeing it right here: right now no one is particularly inclined to vote against Swifty or NQS despite any side-eyeing because it was too clear a fingerpoint and clear fingerpoints are typically attributed to mafia attempting to get innocent people killed. I'd try to use that to my advantage and hide behind my own smokescreen, cackling and drumming my fingers together all maniacally. 

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I considered this as well. She may have voted for herself to throw us all off. And I just thought of something too: if Neo Queen Serenty had voted for herself, wouldn't her name still be on the list because she's a double voter? It may not be working that way but that's also a possibility.
This is a really good point, but it highlights the assumption we're all making, going off of information NQS herself handed over to us: The Double Voter Role. It could be that this role is similar to but not a clone of that role - like Puppy has mentioned, his roles are unique. It could have aspects from the double voter but have caveats like "if you double vote your own vote it will be treated like a hidden vote" or something, allowing NQS to vote once and hide it under her own name, or vote twice if she hides it behind someone else's name. 

...and all this post does is says that lmao tadaaaa i'm not counting anyone as being innocent in this mystery vote




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I would bet my best fat cat on Small Lady being mafia. She has been acting completely different than how she acts when she is a townie (where she practically spams constantly).
 Maybe I threw her off last game, but she wasn't spammy and was innocent; the game before last she was a little spammy with much shorter posts and was mafia. As those two games were the only ones played on this forum in several months, I do not trust your statement about Small Lady being mafia because she is quiet as there is no evidence supporting that that we can see in these forums. It's true that, living with her, you probably have a lot more experience with how she plays this game, but having modded the first mafia game (wherein she was mafiosi) and being privy to behind-the-scenes talks in the mafia room, she flat-out stated she was getting a lot of help from you in her moves and her thought process (which she then hinted at again for the Steven Universe game), which suggests that, while she might have played this elsewhere with you, she is not experienced at it and thus suggests she hasn't played it enough in forum-form for you to have developed tells on her as to her alignment, unless you two have been playing elsewhere since the beginning of May - which I'm not saying didn't happen - I'm saying that, because it didn't happen here, I cannot trust your conclusion.

Being unable to trust your conclusion and your inability to back said statement using publicly known and available information, yet, I find your finger-point to Small Lady highly suspicious, especially as you bring it up again at the end of your post as a suggestion for whom you think we should lynch this first day.

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I can never read Uranus and by default I would lynch her but at least we can investigate her and find out. She just always plays 100% scummy.
If by "scummy" you mean I use logical trains of thought to break down posts to point out suspicious behavior, even going to far to point out how my own posts could be used for mafia gain or even as mafia tactics, then let's everyone call me "100% scummy" XD
But I would like to point out that last game, the Steven Universe mafia game, I was innocent and without a power role and I still not only correctly called the cop to be innocent the first round and routed out a mafia member the second round, but it was Popeye's IRL hints to Small Lady that got me killed the third round, which potentially lead to the downfall of the entire town as within a round it got rid of the two most vocal "investigators" on their side. that was a super good game though XD

AND NOW THE SECRET VOTER CHANGED TO VOTING FOR NQS FROM SAILOR ZELDA.
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. 

Okay, it was after everything said so far, so potentially something said before that vote change was true and hitting too close to home about that hidden voter?

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 10:42 am


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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 10:54 am

Prior games and information on how people behave are free game. For example if Anait Zelleire was playing in this game and you had dinner with her, you couldn't say she was acting scummy at dinner and therefore we should lynch her in game. Basically please don't use real life interactions in game.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 11:00 am

Sigh... phew Okay cool thanks!

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 11:01 am

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K, so I'm finally all caught up. You guys were really active while I was asleep.

So on the vote against Swifty and someone potentially framing NQS... It kinda worked on me. I legitamely thought that it may have been Neo Queen that voted against Swifty, until it was pointed out that someone just attributed the vote to Neo Queen. So the fact that this Doublevoter (or whatever variation thereupon) can attribute votes to others is EXTREMELY dangerous. They are most likely either Mafia aligned, or worse, individually. However it seems they can do only one extra vote, unlike some version where they can go three or more. So that's something to go on. I have church and then a illy reunion so I likely won't be able to post until around 3-ish EST. I'll try to keep track of what's happening though.

We don't actually know how this works, obviously new information has come through, showing they can control votes and change the votes. Just now the mod posted that I am now voting for myself, awesome #sacrasm It CAN be a dangerous move but so far it's not really all that dangerous. It's starting a single vote on a player and not actually doing anything so far.

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Sorry for not being able to post until now. You all are always active when I'm asleep.

Anyway, this is an interesting situation with all the hidden roles. I thought if we at least know what roles are in play we can try to deduce who's who but as it stands now anyone can say anything and probably get away with it.

The secret vote is interesting - either someone potentially stole NQS' vote and used it against swifty, or NQS herself used the vote secretly (an ability she has) and just pretends she has no idea what's going on to take the attention away from herself. But why would she (or anyone actually) target swifty? It seems like an odd choice, since we have some more vocal players who could be more dangerous in this game. Maybe it's just a random thing to see what would happen, or did someone find out something about swifty already?

As for the investigation question, I agree that this sounds like a suspicious move more than anything else, trying to lead people into admitting they have a certain role/more important than others. Zelda already sort of revealed something that could paint a target on her back. As such I won't be saying whether I should or should not be investigated - you can't really take my word for it anyway, so if you feel like investigating or not, I leave that up to you.

The voting info you just commented on is preeetyyy much what everyone already said, didn't add much, kinda interesting that you aren't saying you align with the town but are meh about it. It's true you shouldn't reveal as much due to possibly being easily targeted, but with all the roles in this game I hesitate to say anything is super important.


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Sailor Mercury wrote:
The secret vote is interesting - either someone potentially stole NQS' vote and used it against swifty, or NQS herself used the vote secretly (an ability she has) and just pretends she has no idea what's going on to take the attention away from herself. But why would she (or anyone actually) target swifty? It seems like an odd choice, since we have some more vocal players who could be more dangerous in this game. Maybe it's just a random thing to see what would happen, or did someone find out something about swifty already?

I think we should definitely keep in mind that NQS could be playing it off like she didn't cast her vote.

Also, just a quick request - can we all call Sailor Zelda by her full name instead of just Zelda? Because Zelda is a TLoZ character, I would like to avoid any confusion.


I should have added that in the possibilities, as it does count as one.


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Yeah, just call her Sailor Zelda. (But what rank would Zelda be, anyhow..? Mayor?)

You haven't really added anything to this game at all, And it seems like your role fishing right here. No answering if questions no real thoughts. Your on the top few of the list for suspicions.

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It could also be that Queenie has that secret vote ability herself, used it and is now trying to claim that it someone else who used it in order to put suspicion off of herself and onto someone else. I'm just saying right now that it is a possibility and I'm not sure right now one way or the other how I feel about it and which way I'm leaning.

This was already stated by both Mercury and Pluto. You ALSO ignored the posed question.


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K, so I'm finally all caught up. You guys were really active while I was asleep.

So on the vote against Swifty and someone potentially framing NQS... It kinda worked on me. I legitamely thought that it may have been Neo Queen that voted against Swifty, until it was pointed out that someone just attributed the vote to Neo Queen. So the fact that this Doublevoter (or whatever variation thereupon) can attribute votes to others is EXTREMELY dangerous. They are most likely either Mafia aligned, or worse, individually. However it seems they can do only one extra vote, unlike some version where they can go three or more. So that's something to go on. I have church and then a illy reunion so I likely won't be able to post until around 3-ish EST. I'll try to keep track of what's happening though.

it could be like last game and the vote could be to see how people react to it.

That's a good point.

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sailor swifty wrote:

it could be like last game and the vote could be to see how people react to it.
(Jk I have time between church and the family reunion so I can come in and say something.)

This is a distinct possibility. This idea made me immediately think of Sailor Uranus, but she doesn't seem like the kind of person to repeat that strategy twice. So it may be someone who was in the game with her before. It could also be there's a Mafia cop (a Mafia-aligned cop who receives info about a person's role) and Switfy is an important role, like a cop or doctor or something. That seems like a really, really stupid strategy to pull this early in the game, but the Mafia or whoever could have done something that stupid to throw us off and think they wouldn't do something that dumb, so obviously it's not them... You get what I mean?

It's possible there are win conditions tied to this persons ability too and that there may not just be mafia, but rather anti-town. It's also possible this person doesn't really know what they are doing.

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I'm fully ok with being inspected tonight.


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I find it more suspicious people aren't answering the question. Why in the world would you admit your role? Especially if you are a townie. The only people I can imagine having a problem answering this are mafia. Obviously they've come up with some sort of argument among themselves to not answer and all jumped on the bandwagon. I would bet my best fat cat on Small Lady being mafia. She has been acting completely different than how she acts when she is a townie (where she practically spams constantly). It looks like they either saw the trap or took the bait. Regardless, this was exactly the kind of responses I was expecting. I could care less about the content of your response, it was all about how you reacted to the question.

The vote manipulation is a red herring as far as I am concerned. There is nothing we can figure out about it and it's just to waste our time right now.

I should be investigated because if the mafia doesn't kill me tonight, as they likely will (unless they kill Sailor Zelda for the slip up), it's the only means of confirming I am a townie. Then we can get to the business eliminating them one by one. If not me then Uranus. I can never read Uranus and by default I would lynch her but at least we can investigate her and find out. She just always plays 100% scummy.

We need to start talking about who to lynch tonight. I'm thinking about Small Lady but I'm curious what the others are thinking.

I don't play enough to know if she isn't playing normal but she explained her reasons for not posting as much, interesting that of all the people you're calling out it's her.

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I agree with you calling out Addy, because it's the same info and didn't answer the question.

But you've also posted what I essentially posted on possible things the vote could mean.

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Diana wrote:
So another possibility given the last part of the above paragraph is that maybe Swifty has this doublevoter type ability? Her name is still on the list and we could easily overlook her, thinking she was the one being targeted and not her trying to make herself look innocent. I don't think anyone's brought up this possibility, or I missed it x.x But it is one. I don't think it's likely that this happened due to the fact that the game is new and kinda confusing enough and it takes a lot of prepared strategy and understanding of the given role to play it correctly. But I think it's more likely than Queenie being the double voter thing!

I considered this as well. She may have voted for herself to throw us all off. And I just thought of something too: if Neo Queen Serenty had voted for herself, wouldn't her name still be on the list because she's a double voter? It may not be working that way but that's also a possibility.


Editing for what Popeye said: We shouldn't go for Uranus just yet I think. I think we should watch her and see what happens. On voting for Small Lady, yeah, she hasn't been posting too much, but nothing about her is really screaming "MAFIOSI" at me yet. And then there's you. While asking people to say why they should or shouldn't be investigated is weird, I'm thinking you just did it to get discussion going. You seem like the kind of player that would do that. There are a few people who have hardly said anything yet (in fact J don't Jupiter Rose has said anything past check in) so we'd best wait for some others to say things.

I didn't actually consider this in the bolded part and now I feel dumb. This is a very good point. However I just suggested there is a double voter, because that role is the closest to what little information we've seen, but we also now know they can change their vote during the day.

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Well I know activity isn't much of an excuse but I really wasn't home much of yesterday...AND Popeye knows that. Also tbh this game is so different I legitimately am not even sure how to go about playing this round.

However, I agree with Popeye about the red herring. The vote thing is just someone using their role powers to possibly throw us off. Could be a mafia role, could be a townie role but we don't and won't know who and its pointless to keep talking about it. Cause I don't think it's going to get us anywhere. :/

I don't think it's pointless, any reactions you get from it is fodder later on. Including those that don't pay attention to it.

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So who should we investigate tonight and why shouldn't it be you? Was the question asked by sailor Popeye and i am willing to answer it.


It shouldn't be me because i am 100% Townie/good person and I also don't think we should vote someone off this early since after reading posts there is not much to go off of and I don't feel like jumping to conclusions about things on the first day. Also though its not proof of a persons role or if there mafia or not but we still have some quiet people (i think but obviously their is RL stuff as always too)


You've been really really quiet until someone calls out something pertaining to you. You  didn't really add to the post.

We have not much time left and thinking about people's posting schedules we need to get moving. Personally, I would prefer to lynch someone for information and see votes and such. So I'm going to vote for people who are LESS talkative and not adding things into the game much.

Vote Touka


You've made 2 posts in this game, niether answered the questions, or even gave thoughts on them, as well as poking around asking what role Zelda would be, (sorta could be role fishing)


EDIT: Kyra has good points about Popeye, but not quoting because it's huge.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 11:07 am

I would also like to point out the JupiterRose has not posted at all. I would consider voting for her in the interest in keeping active people in the game. I know real life stuff comes up but it's not helping the town having someone not posting.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 11:10 am

DISREGARD

I can't vote.

I've never had my vote taken... Please ignore that

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 11:11 am

>.> *raises hand*

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PostSubject: Re: Ocarina of Time: Mafia (Game Over)   12th June 2016, 11:15 am

I was unaware I was supposed to answer sailor popeye's question, as I thought it was more of a bit of a hint to newer players. I agree with what diana said about it, considering the mafia would lie to protect themselves to stay in the game. It would have every player saying that they're all innocent and stating why-which would be that they are townies, and naturally we can't have a game with all townies.

In regards to the mismatched vote, It's hard to say weather or not I believe NQS since as of right now it's a fifty-fifty chance of her being framed or lying to protect herself; considering the lack of information we have to go on. Even I was unaware when i made my last post that there could be a role that could steal votes. Considering the list of non-vanillia mafia roles we were given the link to before the game started, It was hard to interpret which roles would be used in this game or not.

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