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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   10th January 2019, 6:49 pm

@Cosmos-Hime wrote:
Hey, brit! Are you guys taking requests for fancomics for later discussions?

Yes! The discussion question is a subtle/not so subtle way of getting suggestions XD

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I actually cannot decide what my favorites are.  (I generally don't get too into fancomics)  But the best one I've enjoyed (which is also unfinished)  is Silver Legacy, which is a silver millennium story that works up to the fall of the Silver millennium with the budding romance between Endymion and Serenity and even (surprised character) in the past. 

There's another, but unfinished, one I liked that took a more realistic-ish approach to the Sailor Moon story but I can't remember it or remember who did it, only that the outfits and Tuxe were redesigned and the gov't got involved. 

It had a really cool thing for Jadeite (which actually made me a bit sad).
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I found it!  It's a Retelling of the first season (unfinished, of course) called Sailor Moon CS

oooh I was going to mention both of those but I figured someone else out there knew of them! I am very behind on Silver Legacy (unless she stopped updating too? ;-Wink. The artwork for it is very pretty and feels almost like as if someone took the art nouveau art style and use it for an entire comic book.

Sailor Moon CS is another interesting one too. I was quite interested on where the story was going plus it's really nice seeing the artist's art improve over time with the comic. Even though it's not complete, I totally second this recommendation.


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Brit or Magic, could I trouble one of you to include a note in the first post of the thread so that people know the DA link has notes associated with each set of pages? The notes can be helpful for readers to understand some of the background and choices I made in the doujinshi. The Pixiv images and text are slightly different from the ones on DA, Tumblr, and here on GC, as the images on the latter platforms are my early editions while the Pixiv ones are the final, "print ready" versions; I simply never updated and made everything the same because of how much work it would be. ^^;;

I'm gonna look through my doujin collection, but it's gonna be hard to pick out one particular doujinshi series. But I do remember reading Four Kings Hell and I echo Brit's sadness that it, in all likelihood, is probably going to be left unfinished.

Absolutely! Except...where are these notes? I only have gotten through Act 1 on Deviantart so far and didn't notice any. Is it on later ones? Or am I a blind old oba? XD XD I do so love your notes too, especially all your answers and feedback in your thread for the manga here on GC.  

I look forward to whatever suggestions you have. ;D

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Signing up here to haunt the club yet again. THIS YEAR I REALLY WANNA READ IT. I DO.

Read Future Reunion with us! Maybe it will inspire you to start the manga back up. Very Happy If you read the volumes outside our club activities...I'll considering coming up with trivia questions so you can earn bumpers. Maybe I'll consider that for others who want to catch up!

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Signing up again! Also, do I get the Short Stories stamp for finishing both volumes?

Yes!! Yes you do! I don't know what happened when I went to update the spreadsheet but you have read both so that pretty stamp is all yours. ;D

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   10th January 2019, 7:26 pm

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Brit or Magic, could I trouble one of you to include a note in the first post of the thread so that people know the DA link has notes associated with each set of pages? The notes can be helpful for readers to understand some of the background and choices I made in the doujinshi. The Pixiv images and text are slightly different from the ones on DA, Tumblr, and here on GC, as the images on the latter platforms are my early editions while the Pixiv ones are the final, "print ready" versions; I simply never updated and made everything the same because of how much work it would be. ^^;;

I'm gonna look through my doujin collection, but it's gonna be hard to pick out one particular doujinshi series. But I do remember reading Four Kings Hell and I echo Brit's sadness that it, in all likelihood, is probably going to be left unfinished.

Absolutely! Except...where are these notes? I only have gotten through Act 1 on Deviantart so far and didn't notice any. Is it on later ones? Or am I a blind old oba? XD XD I do so love your notes too, especially all your answers and feedback in your thread for the manga here on GC.  

I look forward to whatever suggestions you have. ;D

The notes on DeviantArt are right below the pages. Not all pages have notes but most do. If you are on mobile version of DA you have to click on the gray circle with the letter "i" to see the texts associated with the page.

For my suggestions of doujinshi, an English language one that comes to mind is Sailor Moon Cosmos arc on Tumblr. The artists edits Naoko Takeuchi's artwork to create a comic chronically the rise of Sailor Cosmos and takes place in the 30th century. The artist is German, and has the doujinshi available in a number of European languages.

For Japanese artists, some of my favorite doujins are Yume no Tsuzuki by Tsuki Kioku. This doujin is a Chibi-Usa/Helios-centric story. You can see the raw scans on Three Star Light's site, which I linked above, but it's all in Japanese.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   12th January 2019, 6:41 pm

Okay! Awesome. Note has been added. ;D


And ooooh how could i have forgotten about Cosmos arc! The editing is really well done. It's pretty impressive and that art in Yume no Tsuzuki is so adorable. ;_;

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   15th January 2019, 2:11 pm

Ok so I think the sailor moon cosmos arc by ohtoriart would be a good idea. For more information, it's different then other fancomics-not only is it complete, but it's made up entirely of very-well edited art from the books themselves (and from other works Naoko has made.) 
There are only two possible downsides. 1. The English version has swearing, including f-bombs. and 2. the user is not a native English speaker, so the English translation is somewhat awkward to read. 
Now there are other languages, but the only ones I'm aware of that are complete are the english version and the german one-which is the artist's native language.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   15th January 2019, 6:14 pm

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Ok so I think the sailor moon cosmos arc by ohtoriart would be a good idea. For more information, it's different then other fancomics-not only is it complete, but it's made up entirely of very-well edited art from the books themselves (and from other works Naoko has made.) 
There are only two possible downsides. 1. The English version has swearing, including f-bombs. and 2. the user is not a native English speaker, so the English translation is somewhat awkward to read. 
Now there are other languages, but the only ones I'm aware of that are complete are the english version and the german one-which is the artist's native language.

Mangaka-chan actually suggested that just above. xD I agree with the awkward English translation but it is an interesting story for sure. I think we could scoot by some of the cursing cause even in SM there's some light cussing. I think an fbomb is ok since its not like the entire comic is riddled with cusswords. It is something to definitely add to a list. ;D

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   17th January 2019, 5:33 pm

Most of my favorite Sailor Moon fan comics are not "GC Freindly" but the ones that come to mind are 

The Silver Legacy By SoLoretta - It is separated by chapter in her gallery with beautiful artwork! 

New Moonlight By Black Umi 

With A Sailor Yell By Nightfable

If I remember more non ero ones, I will list them here ^^'

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   17th January 2019, 10:37 pm

Can I join in?

Future Reunion is actually part of what got me interested in GC!

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   18th January 2019, 2:52 am

Well... I just finished reading Act 5 and today is the day discussions officially open so now would be as good a time as any to share my two cents on Future Reunion.

It's well written and pays heed to all what makes up the essence of the Sailor Moon manga. The mythological references, the romance, the perspectives, the art. When reading Future Reunion, I feel like I'm reading a story by Naoko from an alternate universe where she decided to continue the series for a little while longer sometime in the early 00s.

Out of everything though, I think the most spectacular job Mangaka-chan did was with her characterization of Helios's human form Shou. She absolutely nailed it with him; he totally would be a soft-spoken kid into fine art and poetry. He also reminds me of Mamoru some (their general similarities in presentation, both having prophetic visions and losing both parents) which is a good thing considering this story is supposed to mirror the past, the Sailor Moon we all know and love but at the same time be something new and different.

The only complaints I have are continuity-based: Saturn being in Eternal Form while everyone else isn't and also her referring to Uranus and Neptune "Haruka-papa" and "Michiru-mama" respectively, even though in this future timeline they didn't raise her like in the main/present timeline. But those are just a few easily-overlookable details, all the other details are pretty spot on and show that quite a bit of attention was paid to the source material.

Anyway, I enjoyed this story quite a bit! Glad I took the time to read it. I'm looking forward to reading more once the club assigns it and finding out more about the villain.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   18th January 2019, 7:49 am

Same here! Although I got up to Act 9 or so. The integration with the manga's elements does make it seem like the sequel to the source. And in progress for a long time also ! Good work indeed!
I've got to stop reading so quickly:
 

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   18th January 2019, 10:07 am

I can't tell you how hard it was for me to wait until today to post this.

MANGAKA-CHAN, IT'S SIMPLY WONDERFUL! Beautiful! Astounding!  A fine piece of work!

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Okay, I've let it out.  Now I'm going to go finish reading the last act before I write my 1000-word rhapsody.

Just in case I didn't make it clear: I LOVE IT!

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Saturn being in Eternal Form while everyone else isn't

I think Mangaka-chan addressed this in one of her notes on DA.  I'll have to take a look for it.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   18th January 2019, 10:13 am

Why is everyone posting stuff about Future Reunion today? I thought the sign-ups ended on the 20th?

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   18th January 2019, 10:22 am

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Why is everyone posting stuff about Future Reunion today? I thought the sign-ups ended on the 20th?
The cut off date for sign ups is still the 20th, but Discussions of Future Reunion opens up today.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   18th January 2019, 11:11 am

Ohhhh, OK

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   18th January 2019, 12:34 pm

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Saturn being in Eternal Form while everyone else isn't

I think Mangaka-chan addressed this in one of her notes on DA.  I'll have to take a look for it.
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Quite a few people have asked me why the Inner Senshi are back in their Super form. The real answer is: I have no idea.  In the Stars arc of the manga we see that Neo Queen Serenity’s court, including the Inner Senshi and Pluto are no longer in their Eternal forms and are back to their Super forms. No explanation was ever given for this, and I can’t begin to guess why Naoko Takeuchi made the change. So, to keep things canonical to the manga, I’ve also drawn the original senshi in their Super form. 

I take it, then, that Mangaka-chan only changed the Inners and Pluto back to Super form for (ironically) manga continuity, and left the others in Eternal (I can't remember seeing Uranus or Neptune transformed in FR, though).

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   18th January 2019, 6:51 pm

Aaah I can't wait to catch up with the thread. I've been dealing with computer issues at both home and work but I've gotten everything straightened out today. Just gotta reinstall all my programs now but everything runs FAST.

Thanks for the suggestions @Starchild! New Moonlight and With a Sailor Yell are two ones I haven't heard of before. :O

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   18th January 2019, 11:39 pm

Just finished reading Future Reunion all in one go. Well done, Mangaka-Chan!  

I think I'll wait until the live-chat, or at least until more people have read it and posted their discussion questions in this thread for me to post my thoughts.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   19th January 2019, 10:09 am

May I join?

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   19th January 2019, 3:49 pm

Absolutely! Happy to have you. ^_^

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   19th January 2019, 4:09 pm

(Apologies for a double post) The poll is up for the live chat! Plans are for Jan 25th or 26th! We'll announce the date by Wednesday Jan 23rd!

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   19th January 2019, 4:29 pm

Voted! 

And I have to say, Mangaka-chan has such a way with making the story flow like a Takeuchi work. It's almost like it would just flow completely from the StarS ending. The tone at the beginning is so fitting for a canon arc opener! 

Also I love Jun's line "I'm gonna show off my harley." Thank you so much for that. 

I am so excited to re-read this! I feel like it has been an eternity since I started it! I'm going to take this slow, but I finished reading Act 1, and will post later with more than one act.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   19th January 2019, 4:30 pm

I haven't kept up with it in forever, I'm willing to bet there's probably going to be a good bit for me to read XD 

Are we supposed to read the entire thing? When are we supposed to have it read by?

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   19th January 2019, 4:46 pm

All the info in in the Club Announcements post but its Acts 1-5. We'll read the rest of it plus the bonus short story in Feb. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   19th January 2019, 5:12 pm

Oh, OK!

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   19th January 2019, 7:04 pm

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All the info in in the Club Announcements post but its Acts 1-5. We'll read the rest of it plus the bonus short story in Feb. Very Happy

Oof, how'd I miss that? I was about to start commenting on the whole thing!  Glad you stopped me before I spoiled anything.  

Even still, there was no way on earth (or moon) I would have been able to stop reading FR at Act 5.  It was too good for that.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   19th January 2019, 7:47 pm

Lol! I know the feeling. I had to stop myself at Act 5 and I've already read the comic twice so far! If any of you wish to keep reading, by all means do so. You can just read Act 6-9 plus the short when we get to Feb. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   19th January 2019, 10:13 pm

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Out of everything though, I think the most spectacular job Mangaka-chan did was with her characterization of Helios's human form Shou. She absolutely nailed it with him; he totally would be a soft-spoken kid into fine art and poetry. He also reminds me of Mamoru some (their general similarities in presentation, both having prophetic visions and losing both parents) which is a good thing considering this story is supposed to mirror the past, the Sailor Moon we all know and love but at the same time be something new and different.


Thank you so much! Writing Shou's character was something I was (and still am) a little bit nervous about. We get to see a little of Helios in the manga canon, but we don't really get to know him as a person all that well, especially in comparison to the main group of characters. I didn't want to make him a Mamoru clone, but I wanted them to share enough similarities that it reminds people of the similarities between Usagi and Chibi-Usa. One thing that helped me create his personality was a comment Naoko Takeuchi wrote (I believe it was from the fourth artbook that covers the Dream arc). She said that Helios had an "irresponsible" personality. I remember being super confused by this statement when I first read it and grappled with it for a long time, because Helios, in both anime and manga, was so considerate and protective of Chibi-Usa and Mamoru and Usagi. The only way I could rationalize this statement (and thinking about it in the context of Japanese culture) was that Takeuchi was maybe suggesting Helios can be strong-headed and determined, irrespective of the obstacles. This can be interpreted as being "irresponsible" in Japanese culture because it can be seen as being selfish or stubborn. I concede that it's likely that Takeuchi was joking in her comment. After all, had Helios not been determined to warn Usagi and Mamoru of the Dead Moon, even as they held him captive, everything wouldn't have turned out as well as it did in the end. But as a reader that was my interpretation, so I wrote Shou as someone who has doubts about the path he'd set himself on, but once he's made up his mind he will not waver easily.

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The only complaints I have are continuity-based: Saturn being in Eternal Form while everyone else isn't and also her referring to Uranus and Neptune "Haruka-papa" and "Michiru-mama" respectively, even though in this future timeline they didn't raise her like in the main/present timeline. But those are just a few easily-overlookable details, all the other details are pretty spot on and show that quite a bit of attention was paid to the source material.

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Saturn being in Eternal Form while everyone else isn't

I think Mangaka-chan addressed this in one of her notes on DA.  I'll have to take a look for it.
Mangaka-chan: Note to Act 4 Part 2 wrote:

Quite a few people have asked me why the Inner Senshi are back in their Super form. The real answer is: I have no idea.  In the Stars arc of the manga we see that Neo Queen Serenity’s court, including the Inner Senshi and Pluto are no longer in their Eternal forms and are back to their Super forms. No explanation was ever given for this, and I can’t begin to guess why Naoko Takeuchi made the change. So, to keep things canonical to the manga, I’ve also drawn the original senshi in their Super form. 

I take it, then, that Mangaka-chan only changed the Inners and Pluto back to Super form for (ironically) manga continuity, and left the others in Eternal (I can't remember seeing Uranus or Neptune transformed in FR, though).

The lack of continuity and explanation is my biggest gripe with the manga. XD;; The Sailor Moon manga was originally only meant to cover the first or at most, second, arcs. But due to popularity and the insistence of Takeuchi's editor, the manga continued until we ended up with the five arcs that we know today. I can see why there are discrepancies in details from the first and the fifth arc and why somethings were retcon-ed in later chapters (for example, the Silver Crystal being said to be an heirloom that can be passed down to it becoming a star seed that cannot be separated from its owner). I'm fairly sure Takeuchi had to come up with new explanations as the scope of her work continued to expand, but when something like this happens without planning since the very beginning there are bound to be plot holes and contradictions. The problem is, I think a lot of manga readers are not aware that the plot of Sailor Moon was not planned out in its entirety from the very beginning. That makes explaining why certain things are the way they are in a fanwork very challenging, because again, there is literately no explanation from Takeuchi for some of these questions.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   19th January 2019, 11:40 pm

I've finally decided to read up to Act 5 and wow, I'm a complete idiot for not having done so sooner.

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I've followed mangaka's work since right at the very end of the arc and the start of the spinoff story and I've always been a big fan of her style and narrative, so it came as no surprise that I'd love the story proper. Reading it it's hard to believe it's a fanmanga as opposed to a work by Naoko herself. Her art style is reminiscent of Takeuchi yet has its own unique quality, the pace is more or less exactly like a Sailor Moon manga and the story itself is so far well written; from my experience with the spinoff this is exactly what I'd expect from mangaka.
We are witnessing the emergence of the next Naoko Takeuchi.
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Now that that's out of the way the story is excellent so far. The use of the Aeneid is clever and works perfectly with the common theme of mythology in Sailor Moon. The baddie is interesting enough and I'm intrigued to know more about her. I'll continue to read on next week but there's not a great deal more I can say that I haven't already said in my general gushing over mangaka's work. ^^;

Seriously, we are actually seeing a future mangaka grow into making a name for herself.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   20th January 2019, 12:25 am

Oh man, that makes two of us, An Ordinary Girl! I binge-read the whole thing, too! Thank goodness I decided to hold off on posting!

And as a note for the poll, I may have chose Friday at 9:00, but I'm fine for all the listed times. Brit, why didn't you allow multiple choice? lol

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   20th January 2019, 1:07 am

Ahaha~, I'm going to join in─I've finished the remainder and the short story too! That was a very cute read!
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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2019 [Livechat Poll Up!]   20th January 2019, 8:53 pm

HEY! I'm sticking around another year!! I haven't gotten around to rereading the first few acts of Future Reunion again, but I have read the story before so I'm super pumped about it! (I wouldn't be me if I didn't read it the day of)

I'm really interested in a lot of these other DJs y'all are talking about, too.... I'll def have to look into them myself later if we don't end up reading as a group!

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