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PostSubject: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime27th November 2012, 5:57 pm

Okay, so I love Sailor Cosmos. I love her almost as much as I love Sailor Saturn. I mean, not only did she feel more human, since she was a coward and did run away, but I also thought that, despite the fact that she had only appeared for such a short time, she actually received more character development than some of the other more major characters in the series. I also love her character design and everything about it, so I've decided to do a tribute thread to her.

Who is Sailor Cosmos?

There are people who will argue that Sailor Cosmos is not Sailor Moon and is a totally different person, but I will argue against all of those claims.

In the manga, Sailor Cosmos was heavily implied to be the same person as Sailor Moon. To support this claim, there were also a few statements put into the pages that enforce the concept.

Sailor Cosmos L17.2.065

Here, Sailor Ceres asks Sailor Cosmos if she is the "ultimate Sailor Moon." Not much to say here - just a simple observation made by one of the characters.

Sailor Cosmos L17.2.066

Here, Sailor Cosmos seems to be avoiding Sailor Ceres' question. She calls herself a coward, and then says that she will never be able to match the courage of Eternal Sailor Moon. While some will take this as a statement proving that they are two different people, I see it as proving that they are the same person. The reason for this is that Sailor Cosmos seems to be ashamed of herself, and that she came back for Eternal Sailor Moon. It seems like she's ashamed of herself since she turned out to be a coward, and lost the courage that she once had back in her early days. Also, the fact that she tried to avoid the question seems to act as a supplement to my statement, if anything.

Sailor Cosmos L17.2.072

This seems to just blatantly state that Sailor Cosmos is Sailor Moon. It not only says that they both possess the Lambda Power, but that Sailor Cosmos is simply another form of Sailor Moon. However, I would like to mention that this scan contradicts itself, since while it says that Sailor Moon is the ultimate form of Sailor Cosmos, it also says that Sailor Moon becomes Sailor Cosmos once she gains her true power. It might mean that Sailor Moon is just superior in terms of emotions and courage, though.

Power

Now this is where Sailor Cosmos' standing as the ultimate Sailor Soldier shows.

Sailor Cosmos L17.2.064

I'd like to point your attention to the bottom left scan.

"This is Cosmos Crystal's power to change everything to cosmos energy, the ultimate Lambda Power."

This seems to imply that Sailor Cosmos, the wielder of the Cosmos Crystal, can absorb the power of the Sailor Crystals and turn them into the Lambda Power. The Lambda Power is then later stated to be an entity of power that she possesses, meaning that Sailor Cosmos has the power of all of the Sailor Crystals in the Galaxy Cauldron. This seems to explain how she has time based abilities, as she might possibly be using the Pluto Crystal to achieve such a goal. She was also shown to have very diverse abilities, so this might explain that as well.

And also, the Lambda Power was also stated to be the power to lose and save everything.

Sailor Cosmos L17.2.069

In this scene, Sailor Cosmos seems so sure that she is capable of destroying the Galaxy Cauldron, the birthplace of all stars (it was also stated to be where everything was created, and also where everything was lost. Also, the Sailor Crystals of the solar system soldiers and Mamoru, who had at least planet level durability, were all destroyed upon coming into contact with it). This could imply that Sailor Cosmos is on star level destruction, since stars are always being formed within the Galaxy Cauldron. She also stated earlier that Sailor Moon is capable of destroying the Galaxy Cauldron, so that could support the claim that Usagi and Cosmos are the same person.


Sailor Cosmos L17.2.073

Here we see Sailor Cosmos sending the Sailor Quarter back to the future (seemingly without their consent). She is also stated several times to be from the future, so that shows that she is capable of traveling through time by herself. This could be because she has the power of Sailor Pluto. By this logic, we could say that Sailor Cosmos can also manipulate time (stop time, slow time, accelerate time, etc.), and without any consequences at that (since she could send people through time, while it was one of Sailor Pluto's taboos to allow others to travel through time).

Sailor Cosmos L17.2.026

As Chibi Chibi, Sailor Cosmos demonstrates the power to create magic barriers capable of blocking attacks from Galaxia herself. She used these quite often, and proved to quite effective. The strength of these barriers are unknown, but since they were able to block attacks from Galaxia, who destroyed planets by pointing at them, they can be considered to be pretty powerful.

That's all I have so far. Sailor Moon has shown planet busting and massively faster than light (FTL) speed before, but I just wanted to use Sailor Cosmos scans for this thread. Plus, I've already covered star level firepower here anyways (Sailor Moon also had her own "can destroy the Galaxy Cauldron" scan, but once again, I wanted to use Sailor Cosmos scans).

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime28th November 2012, 4:02 pm

I agree with everything here! Very Happy

I've always been a supporter of the whole "usagi and cosmos are the same person" canon. But I think its more realistic to say that cosmos is a ultimate future form of usagi xD like she lives out her life as Neo Queen Serenity and then is reborn in the distant future as Sailor Cosmos xD I believe her Silver Crystal, or sailor crystal, keeps growing even in the Galaxy Cauldron until it reaches its ultimate form of the Cosmos Crystal Smile

Anyway, that's just my two cents Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime23rd April 2013, 7:16 pm

Ah the great Cosmos debate Sailor Cosmos 1637294219

My personal belief is that Sailor Cosmos is NOT Usagi, but a future descendant.

Here is a tumblr post (not mine) that explains the reasonings behind why we believe so: http://sailorfailures.tumblr.com/post/42424740909/why-cosmos-probably-isnt-usagi

Although there is good reasoning behind both ideas - it sucks the character is so vague! lol
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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime23rd April 2013, 8:08 pm

Well we actually had a debate on this topic, if you or anyone else wants to see.

https://www.thegalaxycauldronforums.com/t133-theory-who-is-sailor-cosmos

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime23rd April 2013, 10:17 pm

The theory she is a descendant only works in fandom. She is not a descendant in canon, that theory doesn't work because Chibichibi/Cosmos did not disappear when Mamoru was thrust into the cordon the way Chibiusa did and Chibiusa is a direct descendant of Usagi so if the were a descendant she too would have disappeared but she didn't thus that theory only works in fandom but not canon. She also wouldn't have refered to Usagi as "herself" as often as she did if Usagi wasn't herself.

What can be argued is whether she became Cosmos during her reign Neo Queen Serenity, after her reign or during a new life/reincarnation.

I agree though they are essentially the same person and Naoko Takeuchi has even confirmed this.

I like how you brought up the Sailor Crystals and how that is apart of the Lambda power and why Cosmos has the ability of time manipulation. I never thought of it that way. Perhaps that barrier is similar to Saturn's Silence Wall?

I would like to see all the powers Cosmos and chibichibi used during the manga so we can match any other senshi abilities.

A lot of people theorize the senshi died and she obtained her crystals that way and that because of it they'll never live again, but I like to theorize she can harness the crystals but they aren't absorbed into her but that she is somehow connected to the cordon and can use the power whether they are dead or not.

In the manga it does state she only flees after countless of battles have left everything dead and destroyed and even if she stayed and won the cost would be too heavy and the losses were too great which is why she decided to end everything by going to the past. I feel however she was reminded that despite all the death and destruction, Eternal Sailor Moon(her past-self) reminded her she has the power to save everything and everyone that's why when ESM doesn't destroy the cordon and reawakens hope after saving everyone, she gives up the idea of ending the universe via the cordon of the past and can go back to her time with renewed hope remembering how to save everyone.

A lot of people think she ran away from the fight because she was losing but that wasn't the case. She ran away because the battles were seemingly endless and they were in a state of stalemate and the amount of destruction and death made her think that even if she stayed and fought and even won, it would be no victory. Everyone she loved was already gone.

Her cowardliness came from fleeing yes, but it was more about making such a horrible decision to kill everything and everyone just so Chaos wouldn't become Sailor Chaos in the far distant future.

That means if Cosmos had succeeded in persuading Usagi to destroy the cauldron, Crystal Tokyo would never exist, Chibiusa would not be born, they all would die, EVERYTHING would die and that is a very horrible thought. That is very cowardly.

As Cosmos, she figured destroying everything even all her wonderful past memories, experiences, EVERYTHING, would have been better then letting Chaos become a senshi.

Makes you wonder, just what happened during those horrific long standing battles to make her want to go to such drastic measures.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime26th April 2013, 7:49 pm

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't see that there was a seperate thread for that!

But anyways I'm not a fan of debate, only leads to arguing! No one's going to change my mind and I'm not going to change anyone else's. lol

How about I share some of my favorite fan art instead?

http://parlourtricks.deviantart.com/art/Petite-Cosmos-165529074?q=favby%3Apockypants%2F3093838&qo=58

http://zelldinchit.deviantart.com/art/Sailor-Cosmos-275062046?q=favby%3Apockypants%2F3093838&qo=67

http://daekazu.deviantart.com/art/Sailor-Cosmos-280364301?q=favby%3Apockypants%2F3093838&qo=85

http://jenni-san.deviantart.com/art/Who-Am-I-165907256?q=favby%3Apockypants%2F3093838&qo=104

http://starlightgenie.deviantart.com/art/Sailor-Cosmos-316240488?q=favby%3Apockypants%2F3093838&qo=113

http://noss91.deviantart.com/art/From-the-Future-198573320?q=favby%3Apockypants%2F3093838&qo=241

http://priscillia.deviantart.com/art/Sailor-Cosmos-New-171818982?q=favby%3Apockypants%2F3093838&qo=250

http://silver-eyes-blue.deviantart.com/art/Sailor-Cosmos-Kiriban-129514964?q=favby%3Apockypants%2F3093838&qo=331

http://blush-art.deviantart.com/art/Sailor-Cosmos-40999845?q=favby%3Apockypants%2F3093838&qo=511

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime26th April 2013, 7:58 pm

Well, I've always believed Sailor Moon was Sailor Cosmos for the exact reasons that the Miss Cosmos states. =)
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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime27th April 2013, 8:25 am

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime27th April 2013, 9:51 am

I like the part where she can use the power of other sailor crystals. I had never really thought about that part of her before, but it totally makes sense.
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on the origin of her, I said this in the debate, but I am a fan of the idea that she both is and isnt usagi. I think Cosmos is similar to Chaos in that she took on several forms until becoming a pure sailor version of herself.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime28th April 2013, 11:17 am

I think she was a bad addition to the setting. Sorry.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime28th April 2013, 1:33 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime28th April 2013, 3:10 pm

@Boromonokli wrote:
I think she was a bad addition to the setting. Sorry.

How come?
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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime30th April 2013, 11:26 am

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I think she was a bad addition to the setting. Sorry.

Personally I think she as an amazing final addition to the story. Best in the finally because she is a tragic character. Like a fallen angel.

We have seen ALL of the other characters swayed from good, whether intentionally(black Lady) or not(Mistress 9, the Galactic Senshi). Mamoru often lost faith and gave up.

Sailor Cosmos is a way to show the Audience what we have never seen in Usagi before. She gave up, she lost faith, she ran away and she intended put BILLIONS of people behind the ideal that getting rid of Chaos so he doesn't become Sailor Chaos was better then letting BILLIONS of people life. Better then letting Crystal Tokyo come to exist, better then letting her own daughter have a chance a birth.

She is the complete opposite of Usagi despite BEING Usagi. She is the Usagi that lost all of her heart, her faith, her hope.

Sailor Cosmos is the outlook of Usagi, fallen from a pedestal where everyone thought she'd never give up, and yet as Sailor Cosmos she did.

The end of the manga, it states Eternal Sailor Moon is the most powerful senshi. She doesn't exist in Crystal Tokyo. Even as Sailor Cosmos, she'll never be as powerful as she was in the past, but as the manga shows, she was reminded of her hope by the living memory of herself, and returns to do right only after she did wrong.

Naoko not only made Usagi the most powerful senshi in the final saga of her work, she also made the readers realize despite that, she too makes mistakes and sometimes she too needs to be reminded of hope.
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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime13th May 2013, 10:10 am

Survived the relevant parts. Yeah, she is sailor moon's future, or something of it's equivalent.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime24th May 2013, 11:45 am

@Boromonokli wrote:
Survived the relevant parts. Yeah, she is sailor moon's future, or something of it's equivalent.

I'm still just curious as to why you think she was a bad addition? Not to nag, but I have never really heard anyone with that opinion before and i am just curious what about her was the reason you dislike her.

I thought that most people actually think she is one of the best features of the Stars manga. I kinda wanna hear the other side
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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime16th July 2013, 10:41 pm

didn't Naoko Takeuchi confirm that Cosmos is a future sailor moon in an interview at comic-con a few years back?

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime16th July 2013, 11:01 pm

Even if you show some people that, they will say its a translation error.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime17th July 2013, 1:57 am

Yeah but people will fight that the sky is green if that want it bad enough lol

Besides, most translation errors are just worded incorrectly and phrased a bit awkwardly but the translation meaning is basically the same. The meaning is what counts.

That and the magazine article really doesn't matter since the manga made it very clear that Cosmos is the future of Usagi with how she talked and the whole reason why she came back^^
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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime17th July 2013, 2:08 am

What a shame Boromonokli couldn't confirm his feelings Sad
I'm really curious as well. To be honest, I always LIKED Sailor Cosmos, but I've never thought about it as hard as any of you and to be honest, I reckon she's close to becoming my favourite senshi. I love every single reason you guys put forth.
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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime17th July 2013, 2:29 am

I love Draco Malfoy^^ I can't explain it all that well though. When Snape did what he did, I was so mad but apart of me thinks that all those years he spent as the Potions Master did have some affect on him and wasn't all an act but perhaps that's just wishful thinking.... I'm so torn u.u

I do believe Usagi is Sailor Cosmos's past self since it is stated so in the manga though when she talks and refers to Usagi as her past self, how she came to the past to find her, knowing sh was suffering because she's already lived through it.

I don't believe that she is a descendant because when Endymoin was killed and Chibiusa vanished, if Cosmos was a descendant she would have vanished too. Kill someone in the family tree then the family tree after that person dies the tree ceases to exist.

I don't believe she is from an alternate timeline or dimension because in the manga it states that she had already fought in this same battle and that she "knows this battle" and she came back to this battle for a reason. 


If it was an alternate timeline or dimension, there would have been no reason for her to go to a separate dimension or timeline to change the timeline she went to since it is connected.

We know that Usagi already has the Lambda power, the power to lose everything so that she can save everything and that is stated to be the power of Sailor Cosmos. 

We know that as Neo Queen Serenity her heart has weakened and she was more vulnerable because of this and she can't become Sailor Moon.

We know that like NQS Cosmos's heart was vulnerable and she only remembered the Lambda power after being with Usagi, when she was at her strongest emotionally and mentally. Sailor Cosmos was emotionally and mentally weak enough to want to kill everyone and everything so that Sailor Chaos wouldn't be born, which is why as Eternal Sailor Moon is stronger than her future self because her future self gives up when in the past she never stopped trying.

It's really more up for debate on what time frame she came from and exactly how she turned into Sailor Cosmos and her exact powers.

Is Cosmos the reincarnation of Usagi, the way Usagi is the reincarnation of Serenity or is she Neo Queen Serenity who could finally become a senshi again?

Did Chaos attack after they had already been reincarnated or did he attack during Neo Queen Serenity's reign? Or did he attack during her daughters reign?

Is she called Sailor Cosmos because she doesn't simply protect the earth and moon but everyone and everything, the way Neo Queen Serenity seems to do as indicated by Kakyuu when she said the moment Serenity and Endymoin joined hands the peace could be felt throughout the universe and time?

When Cosmos goes back to her own time after being reminded of why she became Sailor Cosmos and being reminded of hope and who she being able to literally see how she used to be enough to help her when she returns?

When she returns, does she save everything to the way it was or is time essentially reset and they all have to be reborn again and grow up naturally until they once again needed?

What happens to Sailor Cosmos and Sailor Chaos, the two opposing sides the way they've always been, as Princess Serenity and Metallia, as Sailor Moon and the Death Phantom Nemesis, Super Sailor Moon and Nehelania, Eternal Sailor Moon and Chaos? Why do they always seek each other in every incarnation? Will there every be peace for the ying yang of good and evil that was born of the same place?

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime28th July 2013, 5:20 pm

Personally, I find the idea of her being a future Sailor Moon more intriguing than just a descendant. The idea that someone as good and pure as Usagi can one day become somebody who would willingly bring about an end to everything just to change the future is something I could see the Outers doing. It's an interesting and terrifying thought to be honest.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime11th May 2016, 3:21 pm

I personally think Sailor Cosmos is Sailor Moon. Everything that everyone brings up about her being Cosmos I believe. It states clearly that she came back to be there for her past self. It only makes sense. Plus! With everything that is said, at the very end of the book, Mamo Chan states that she will live on much longer than anyone else. You, also, have to think about Chibi-Usa.  She is 300 years old and Usagi just found out she was pregnant when she married Mamo Chan. So, I really think it has to be Usagi. Not a reincarnation or anything else. They live extremely long lives because of the Silver Crystal, so it’s not surprising that she would become Sailor Cosmos in the very distant future.
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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime22nd May 2016, 7:54 pm

I have to agree with everything Miss Cosmos has said. 

Personally, I've always thought Cosmos was Usagi in the future. Neo Queen Serenity has said before that once she became queen, she lost her powers as a Sailor Guardian. Something big must have happened in the future to take form as Cosmos. 

Chaos probably came back and the Sailor Wars was the biggest battle every guardian has dealt with. NQS probably didn't know how to fight anymore or control her powers, so she used all 9 Sailor Crystals to take form (I've always imagined Chaos killed them all and NQS took over their crystals to become a whole new guardian).

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime23rd May 2016, 3:00 pm

I'm also in the camp that Cosmos is Usagi, and that she came around sometime long after NQS came into being. If she lost her powers and a war started in the future, that's probably big enough reason for her powers to reawaken. Though, it seems slightly contradictory since she didn't have them "activate" during the R arc when they were attacked, but maybe that was due to Chibi-usa having the Imperium Crystal? Or it being deemed necessary by whatever magical force so that Sailor Chibi Moon could awaken? Hmm. 
Sailor Moon is always said to be the strongest light in the galaxy, so for her to be ultimately become Cosmos, literally the opposite ultimate force of Chaos in name and meaning, makes sense given her stated power and strength.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime23rd May 2016, 4:57 pm

I always thought that she was a sailor moon/usagi from a failed timeline, where it went a bit farther beyond the battle with galaxia in the cannon one. She failed, somehow obtained a massive powerup after thousands of years running away, never getting a chance to found crystal tokyo. Somehow, this power enabled her to hop timelines, and she decided to go back as chibi chibi to make sure the usagi of our timeline didn't make the same mistake she did, and continued to exist after our usagi finished the final battle in the galaxy cauldron.

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PostSubject: Re: Sailor Cosmos   Sailor Cosmos I_icon_minitime23rd May 2016, 5:03 pm

I definitely agree that Sailor Cosmos is a future form of Sailor Moon. The Kodansha translation of the manga outright states this after Sailor Cosmos is revealed in Act 60, with a text bubble describing Cosmos as "Sailor Moon's future ultimate form." I know that Kodansha's translations sometimes aren't very clear or contain errors (and the same can be said for every translation I believe), so I checked with Miss Dream's article "Sailor Moon Kodansha Release Volume 12 Errors," in which I found a helpful table that included that quote (the titles of the columns didn't transfer well so I just typed them in):

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This translation is pretty consistent in all 3 versions, so it can be assumed that the statement is accurate--this basically confirms the theory the Sailor Cosmos is Sailor Moon, just much farther in the future.

Other examples (from the Kodansha manga) I've found that back up this theory:
When Sailor Cosmos is narrating why she purposefully tried to give Usagi as much love and support as she could when she returned to the 20th century as Chibi-Chibi, she says, "The me of 'this era' was also always lonely and in pain [...]". In this instance, Cosmos directly refers to Usagi as herself, which definitely gives this theory credibility. 
(Note: Miss Dream's translation does not have Cosmos stating that her and Usagi are the same person, but Tokyopop's does--Cosmos says: "My self here was alone and suffering too.")

Also, Mamoru makes a statement at the very end that says: "Sailor Moon, you likely will be forever immortal." (In the Miss Dream version, he says basically the same thing: "Sailor Moon, you will always live eternally." Tokyopop's, on the other hand, has him saying that "Sailor Moon, you will always be invincible"--a statement that really doesn't feel right to me, but I digress.) Anyway, what I think Mamoru's basically trying to convey here is that Sailor Moon will live on eternally, and paired with the fact that Chibi-Usa is hundreds of years old, the naturally long lifespan of the inhabitants of Silver Millenium, and the regenerative powers of Usagi's Silver Crystal, I think it makes sense that Sailor Moon would have time to eventually evolve into an extremely powerful senshi such as Sailor Cosmos (thereby erasing the need for Cosmos to be a descendant). 

Anyway, keep in mind that these are purely my opinions and you are free to disagree; this is just my view of the situation. Smile

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