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PostSubject: Is Naoko that upset about the changes Toei made in the anime?   17th June 2013, 10:26 pm

This is a continuation of the conversation started here.

According to the rumors on the net, Naoko was really upset with many of the changes in the anime. Enough to where she even changed the title from "Pretty Solider" to "Pretty Guardian". I'll quote my own words for here, so I don't have to retype everything....

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Considering the new musical has NOTHING to do with Toei. I would think there is something between her and them.
According to the rumors on the net: there is. Which is why the live-action series/manga reprints removed all the "Pretty Solider" references and replaced them with "Pretty Guardian", because she wants to keep her vision of the series as separate as possible from the anime Toei made. First theres her only wanting just the Dark Kingdom story arc but Toei really pushed her for more, and shes already stated how she hated some of the changes, the genderbending Starlights being the most famous example. Its also been said shes attempted to take Toei to court to get the distribution rights (which is supposedly why Sailor Moon disappeared from the international market for so long). The whole ordeal must've made her pretty upset, enough to where she wanted to alter the name of the series itself.

Which would make sense considering how she keeps pushing the newer "Pretty Guardian" name.

...hopfully this means shes trying to get a another studio to do the new anime.

Was there any other manga to anime changes that she clearly stated she did not like? (or maybe even *did* like) Or maybe some legitimate truth behind these rumors? Or are they just, well, rumors? Lets discuss.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Naoko that upset about the changes Toei made in the anime?   17th June 2013, 10:57 pm

In one of the artbooks she did say she was surprised by the changes that were made to Haruka and Michiru, but she was still thankful that the fans liked them.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Naoko that upset about the changes Toei made in the anime?   17th June 2013, 11:23 pm

I read somewhere that Naoko was shocked at the changes that were made in the final two seasons of the Sailor Moon anime. For example, she was surprised that the Sailor Starlights got a much larger role in the anime compared to the manga. Moreover, she was shocked about the gender treatment they got.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Naoko that upset about the changes Toei made in the anime?   18th June 2013, 3:37 am

The change that made her the most upset was when they killed the sailor soldiers in episode 45 while Osabu forbid her to do so.
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She avenged their death in her next chapter. By killing them too.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Naoko that upset about the changes Toei made in the anime?   18th June 2013, 6:16 am

I think the art on the anime didn't really look like Naoko's, so I think she'd be upset about that

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PostSubject: Re: Is Naoko that upset about the changes Toei made in the anime?   18th June 2013, 7:06 am

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The change that made her the most upset was when they killed the sailor soldiers in episode 45 while Osabu forbid her to do so.
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She avenged their death in her next chapter. By killing them too.

Somehow, I like Naoko a whole lot more now.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Naoko that upset about the changes Toei made in the anime?   18th June 2013, 8:12 am

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I think the art on the anime didn't really look like Naoko's, so I think she'd be upset about that

There is nothing factual that has ever indicated that... Its very often that the anime and manga art look very different. For the most part, from reading her notes, etc. I think she was ok with the anime look.



Also, thinking on it, she can't be THAT upset about the anime if she is allowing a reboot of the series. I think if anything its possible she felt burnt out and overwhelmed by the end since Toei kept pushing her for more when she didn't want more (whatever Naoko, i'm glad you did more...).

It is curious though with the new musical, it has nothing to do with Toei. Its all backed by Kodansha, PNP (Naoko's company), Daito, etc. Nothing with Toei or Bandai which were the original musicals sponsors. So there's got to be SOMETHING. But i dunno if we will ever know just exactly the true reasons, except for some of her complaints in her notes and interviews.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Naoko that upset about the changes Toei made in the anime?   24th June 2013, 7:20 am

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I read somewhere that Naoko was shocked at the changes that were made in the final two seasons of the Sailor Moon anime. For example, she was surprised that the Sailor Starlights got a much larger role in the anime compared to the manga. Moreover, she was shocked about the gender treatment they got.

Why would Naoko be upset that the Starlight had gotten a "main role" in the Stars season? That doesn't make much sense to me since they ARE featured in the manga pretty frequently. If she didn't want them, she wouldn't have ever created them.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Naoko that upset about the changes Toei made in the anime?   24th June 2013, 7:36 am

I think she was upset that they have more of a major role in the anime. Plus they did take the limelight from the inners. However I think she was more upset with the gender change because she had an unwritten role that all senshi must be female.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Naoko that upset about the changes Toei made in the anime?   24th June 2013, 7:50 am

It made her upset, but it's a misunderstanding... The Starlights are STILL female.
Kakyuu ask Seiya "What are those bodies" when they finally reunite. And the Starlights are shown as female in a flashback of kinmoku. So yeah, they are female. It's just like when Minako disguised herself as a student of Mugen.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Naoko that upset about the changes Toei made in the anime?   24th June 2013, 10:22 am

That gender situation I've heard about for years tho. The other thing about them getting more screen tome, I'm not so sure about but none of this has ever been documented which is why I wish Naoko would come out with an autobiography to clear rumored things said about Sailor Moon from the actual source and the making of the series.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Naoko that upset about the changes Toei made in the anime?   24th June 2013, 10:29 am

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That gender situation I've heard about for years tho. The other thing about them getting more screen tome, I'm not so sure about but none of this has ever been documented which is why I wish Naoko would come out with an autobiography to clear rumored things said about Sailor Moon from the actual source and the making of the series.

Considering how private and shy she is already, i find that highly unlikely (but it would be SO SUPER AWESOME IF SHE DID). Its possible she could have just been burnt out by the demands of Toei. Maybe she didn't like the direction they were going to make her go in after Stars or just plain didn't want to do it anymore but they were gunna force her so she cut the contract? It really could be a number of things...

I also think it could be a rights thing. I think Toei wanted more control than maybe Naoko wanted them too? From what I understand, its up to her to decide if a country was going to get a rerelease of the anime. The sole reason the US hasn't seen a new DVD box set or redub of the classic anime is not because no company here wants to (Funimation has shows LOTS of interest), its due to no deals being made over the license. I'm not expert when it comes to that stuff and all the legal things behind it, but I think it could be a clue into whats between Naoko and Toei.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Naoko that upset about the changes Toei made in the anime?   1st February 2015, 8:00 pm

bump this is a hot topic again 20+ years later

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PostSubject: Re: Is Naoko that upset about the changes Toei made in the anime?   1st February 2015, 8:57 pm

Not sure if i've said this before but i don't think was as upset over the anime as some people make out.The only thing i recall her being upset about is the Starlights and Toei killing off the Senshi in episode 45 (i still don't get why she was upset about it. It was her original plan so shouldn't she be happy they included it?)

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PostSubject: Re: Is Naoko that upset about the changes Toei made in the anime?   1st February 2015, 8:59 pm

I think she was just mildly complaining about them killing off the Senshi in the anime (if i remeber the little side comic said her editor was like "you can't do that! D:" after they told her she couldn't do that in the manga.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Naoko that upset about the changes Toei made in the anime?   2nd February 2015, 11:04 am

Another one I remember is Naoko said she was surprised that Rei's personality was so different from the original anime but she was glad people still loved Rei in both versions.  She also said the biggest difference was that the original anime was done by a mostly male staff whereas the manga is made by women for a women audience.   I had read an interview on Miss Dream where Naoko said Nakayoshi had originally wanted her to include a chubby stereotype for one of the Soldiers and she really had to fight hard against the "old men of Nakayoshi" to keep her vision of Sailor Moon in tact.  I doubt Naoko changed the title of the series because of her hatred of the original anime.  I'm pretty sure they changed the title to Pretty Guardian to promote the live action series that came out in Japan around the time they were re-releasing the manga.  In any case, I somehow doubt she hates the old anime enough to sue Toei considering she doesn't seem that bothered at making millions of dollars off its merchandise.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Naoko that upset about the changes Toei made in the anime?   2nd February 2015, 11:22 am

I'm pretty sure I also saw something where she at the very least seemed surprised by Hotaru's anime personality and how cutesy she was.

I know that the Starlight's gender thing was an issue, but I kinda wonder what she thought of the rest of Stars.  The final episodes are not even remotely similar to the manga.  If I were her, I would probably feel more strongly about the plot changes than the gender swap thing.
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