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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning) - Page 2 I_icon_minitime26th August 2014, 7:51 am

Wow that's super disappointing. I'll still be watching but wow....... ;_;

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My heart dropped reading this interview :/ I didn't think I would be able to be more disappointed in Crystal, with it feeling rushed and sloppy in places, but now... man, that's so sad =[ I got my hopes up a bit when seeing the full length Moon Pride video, but this breaks my heart to hear. I had really hoped that they would expand upon the story, making Sailor Moon Crystal something of its own, giving us another beautiful self-contained canon like the other versions. But all they're going to do is give a bit more Senshi/Shitennou? Nooo =[ I like the Shitennou on their own, seeing them working together as a group, but pairing them with the Senshi is something I just do not like at all. Awww...

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Edit to add: I suppose though, that there will be other moonies who will be very happy to hear this news. So that is good, at least =]

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If they're really sticking to only 13 acts for the first act, then that is sad indeed.

I'm intrigued by this mention of showing more interactions of everyone's past lives though. I don't ship the Senshi/Shitennou (except Venus/Kunzite kind of) but I do want to see them in Silver Millennium very much. I really want to see what their lives and their relationships were like.

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PostSubject: Re: Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning)   Crystal So Far (Spoiler Warning) - Page 2 I_icon_minitime26th August 2014, 8:49 am

Now it seems like the only reason they're focusing on the Shitennou more is just so they came become the girls' boyfriends. I have nothing against those pairings, but that shouldn't be the main reason to give them more screen time. *sigh*

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I was kind of hoping we would get the 26 episodes for only the dark kingdom but I suppose not. I am kind of disappointed but I guess that would mean less waiting time for my favourite chapters! Very Happy

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Sailor Pluto wrote:
Edit to add: I suppose though, that there will be other moonies who will be very happy to hear this news. So that is good, at least =]

Yeah I guess that is true. Hopefully Crystal gives them some nice shipping moments.

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I'm intrigued by this mention of showing more interactions of everyone's past lives though. I don't ship the Senshi/Shitennou (except Venus/Kunzite kind of) but I do want to see them in Silver Millennium very much. I really want to see what their lives and their relationships were like.

I feel exactly the same way. I'm disappointed with this new info but when it comes to the Silver Mil. I'll take what I can get.

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If that's the case then they're big fat lairs. They said it would only covered the Dark Kingdom. I'll just stop watching it after Dark Kingdom then.

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I confess, I'm really excited by this news. IIRC, the first arc has the most numerous reiterations in the form of the manga, the 90's anime, the live action, the musical, and now SMC. I want to see a slightly different spin on the other arcs, and the Black Moon arc is my third most favorite arc.

What I'm really curious about is what will SMC do with the villains in the Black Moon arc. One reason I really like this arc in the 90's anime was how well developed the villains were. The Ayakashi sisters, Saphir, and to certain degrees Diamond and Esmerald were villains with nuances and were sympathetic to varying degrees. However they were far less developed in the manga, and more of the standard villain in the manga. I'm hoping Crystal will try to develop the Black Moon clan and not just make them terrifying enemies for the senshi to defeat, but with a limited number of episodes I don't know if this is possible.

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Is anyone really surprised by this?   They've always said they were going to follow the manga more faithfully but tweak little bits of the story so it would be truer to the vision Naoko wanted to do with the manga.  And am I the only one excited for this?  We've already had the Dark Kingdom arc done billions of times before and while I enjoy this arc a lot, there's only so many ways you can retell the same story, and there are other arcs in the manga that deserve to be updated too.   I for one am hoping to see a more faithful adaptation of the Infinity and Dream arcs.
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@Neon Genesis wrote:
I for one am hoping to see a more faithful adaptation of the Infinity and Dream arcs.

Amen to that! If they do get to the Dream arc and the Stars arc I will cry tears of joy.

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I really want to see the final battle in the Infinity arc properly portrayed since we never got to actually see the final battle with the original series and that battle is one of my all time favs from the manga.
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I am not against seeing other arcs. I just want each arc to get its own season. Everything will be fast past depiste minor tweaks. 26 episodes for each arc would have been prefect to flesh out the manga.

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hah, I so called it when it was announced Crystal was going to be 26 episodes.  I'm not surprised but considering the Japanese reception has not been good at all and the amount of views per episode has dropped tremendously since the first episode. If you can read Japanese, just simply go look at comments on videos of the show. The show is outdated and the character archetypes aren't as appealing to fans as now, 22 years later, those archetypes have been done over and over and over (so far Rei's character hasn't been received very well from what I understand). Crystal just won't do well on nostalgia alone.

The thing with the Shitennou is probably due to them being paired with the girls is fairly popular (considering its been a constant go to in the musicals).

Its fine if you love it and enjoy it so far and want a story truer to the manga, but there is no denying that its just not going to fair as well as other versions of SM.

Oh well, I'm still going to watch it anyway. I just won't be enjoying it as much as other fans I guess. xD

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Unless they make some major fixes to Crystal, I don't think it'll go past the 26 episodes they told us. I think if the anime wasn't so shotty, it wouldn't be so bad. They delayed it by 2 years, so why is this happening?

Also, they've changed the personalities of some of the girls, mostly Rei so far.
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We can't forget that Naoko Takeuchi is heavily involved this time so if we're going to bash Crystal so soon when we're only four episodes in, we should hold Naoko as being as guilty here as we are with Toei.
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I'm not bashing it, I"m just not happy with the all animation thus far and the characterization. There are some parts I love like the Shintennou all being there.
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I just think people are over-reacting a bit when all we have is a very vague statement from Toei where all they've said is Crystal will follow the same number of chapters as the manga.  That's it.  They haven't said anything yet about just how accurate or different it will be from the manga source material or if they'll have original storyline ideas for the Black Moon arc too.   I feel like we should wait until we have more concrete information before we start judging it when we're only four episodes in and we have no clue what they're going to do with the Shittenou etc.
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I would really love to know how much influence Naoko really has over the anime... And just because she has a hand in it doesn't mean its the right decision. Naoko isn't some untouchable goddess or something who is never wrong. :/

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It would't surprise me that all of this is true. It's Toei after all. They like to troll with people.

Brit, I agree about the show being outdated. It is. I love Sailor Moon and all, but the story really needs a major update. I was hoping Crystal would do this, but so far it's not the case.

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Yeah, when I heard Naoko was gonna have more of a hand in this anime, I actually the story would be getting a big update, but........ nope. The only major difference so far it seems is just the stuff with the Shitennou, and Jedite not getting killed and junk in episode 3. ;_;

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I really don't think Naoko has as much of an impact on Crystal as we've been lead to believe tbh...If she did why would she approve them making Queen Serenity look like a carbon copy of Usagi? I mean the Queen and the princess look similar but you could clearly tell them apart in the manga and even in the anime.

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Again though we're still only at episode four and we haven't gotten to the manga only material yet so it seems a bit hasty to me to say they aren't doing anything different.  PGSM followed the original pretty closely at the beginning too but then went off in different directions.
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We are following the manga to a T right now. The only thing that is different is that the Jadeite lived.

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Yeah, even some dialogue is almost exactly the same as from the manga. They only add in little things to fill in for time or change it slightly for pacing, but essentially its almost panel per panel animated.

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PGSM also followed the manga fairly closely up until after Makoto was introduced.   Of course I really enjoy the manga's storyline a lot so even if they just follow the manga I'm not that concerned about it if they don't do an original plot.
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Well I don't know if anyone noticed this but other than episode 1, Crystal usually alters the battle scenes like how episode 3's battle was in the dark kingdom and how the generals were introduced in episode 4.

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I'm with Yamichan on this one and I'm actually a die hard manga fan. [url=http://ourinkedobsession.com/2014/04/28/sailor-moon-crystal-announcements-and-speculation/]Back in April[/url], I predicted that if the series didn't do enough to change the source material, we'd end up with a inferior version of a product we already have. Well, that's what ended up happening.

Yeah, Sailor Lily, I noticed those battle differences. I was hoping for a lot more like them, since battles in the manga are paced more on emotions than logic (not that this is a bad thing, mind you).

The Black Moon arc is my least favorite, so I won't be too disappointed if it's not in this season. Honestly, I hate to bash Crystal and I really wish it was better. This was toted to be the definitive version of the story, but it's only made the original anime look ten times better.

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I have to say, I'm really not happy to hear that they will also be doing the Black Moon arc for the first season. I did the count. The Dark Kingdom arc was 13 acts, and the Black Moon arc was also 13 acts. That fills up the entire listed 26 episodes, so there is no chance for original episodes or original stories outside of the manga stories. I mean, first they say they'll just do the Dark Kingdom and announce 26 shows, and now THIS?

I tried getting into the manga, but I couldn't. It was too hard. The thing couldn't draw me in and in reading through it slowly I found too many nonsense elements, plot holes, or art errors that needed cleaning up. And when watching Crystal, it was weird, but I was encouraged by the fact that they did clean up some of the little things like Rei's crows suddenly appearing where they shouldn't, Ami's computer suddenly employing Looney Toon physics, etc. Of course they didn't fix everything, like Mamoru wearing a tux in day in episode 1. I know I like to make jokes but it's still stupid, doesn't make any sense, and sticks out like a sore thumb.

Little fixes like that gave me hope that they were paying attention, like the first anime seemed to. It gave me hope that they would not just copy the manga, but improve it's weaknesses. But with the Black Moon thing, that just means they will be copying the super-fast, too fast pace of the manga.

Honestly, I find it all really disappointing. While not the biggest fan, I understand the show's legacy. I do. They announce this after 20 years, and the creator says she has more control and a chance to fix stuff. 20 years. And yet Crystal seems....lacking in effort and creativity. I hear about animation errors, how there are inconsistencies not just between episodes like the 90s anime, but within episodes. I find watching it hard as it just doesn't do much to draw me in, and the dialogue often seems clunky. The subtitles need work, with multiple grammar errors, or, as Jet Wolf pointed out, having Beryl use "gonna" while all the girls speak very formally with zero contractions.

And even if the generals survived, I fear their involvement will be shoved aside to keep the content of the original manga. I don't know. I didn't even finish episode 4 and I'm not sure I want to. It just doesn't seem worth it. It just seems like there's not much of the effort that something like this DESERVED and it seems insulting and depressing. *sigh*
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How do we know they won't do any original stories?  Again, all they said was they were following the same number of episodes as the manga but that doesn't mean they can't change stories from the manga and they already made a change by keeping Jaedite alive.  If people just keep on complaining about how horrible it's going to be when we don't even know any details yet, Toei might just decide it's not going to be worth it to finish a show their fans hate and cancel it and then people will complain about why did they cancel it.
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Dark Kingdom Chapters: This arc covers volume 1-3 in the reprint manga.

Act: 1 Sailor Moon
Act 2: Mercury
Act 3: Mars
Act 4: Masquerade 
Act 5: Jupiter
Act 6: Tuxedo Mask
Act 7: Mamoru
Act 8: Minako/Sailor V
Act: 9 Princess Serenity
Act 10: Moon 
Act 11: Enydmion
Act 12: Enemy, Queen Metalia
Act 13: Final Battle, Reincarnation 


Bold=Episodes that have followed the manga. Act 6 is bolded because it has been confirmed. Since act 6 has been confirmed that means act 7 will be confirmed. Act 6 ends on a cliffhanger. 

I believe that they are not going away from the manga's storyline because of act 6 has been confirmed. The only way they can off on their own is if they put in some filler before or after Sailor V appears. 

As for show getting canceled. I highly doubt it. Toei is a business. They're not going to stop a show just because a large number of fans aren't please with it. Crystal is a cash grab for them. People are still watching it despite their opinion on it. If they release any merch for Crystal people are going to buy it. Look at the precure series for example! It's just a toy promotion show. The ratings for recent percure shows aren't that high, but they haven't canceled the series.  

Toei is the equivalent of the gaming company of EA.

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